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    Default My first bleeding experience



    It did not go that well!
    Was bleeding the power steering, and remembered the instructions from Rave manual incorrectly!
    It says in BOLD Do not turn steering wheel when bleed screw is loose!
    I thought it said you must turn the steering wheel!
    I turned it to full lock, twice! Before I heard something funny and switched off.

    Lost about 500ml of ATF. The WHOLE engine bay is sprayed full of ATF. Not to even talk about everything in the garage! And the garage floor.


    But so one learns I suppose


    How much fluid is the powersteering system suppose to take
    The Rave says 3.4 liters. But mine seems full after about 1 liter. Is it because the steering box was still full of fluid?
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    They must hold a lot of fluid in the rack. I recently fitted a PS system into a Corsa. The guy at the specialist shop that works exclusively on all the stuff under cars told me the system needed about 2.5l, and it took less than 1l to fill. Bleed procedure on that was:
    Jack up front of car
    Fill the bottle
    Start car
    Monitor bottle level and keep full throughout
    Turn steering 90 degrees left, 90 degrees right. Repeat 20 times
    Turn steering fully left, fully right. Repeat 10 times
    Done.

    I never saw any bleed screw.
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    Eish, that stuff can like to make a mess. I feel sorry for you having to clean up that mess...
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    hint for the day.

    attach a length of around 1m of 6mm id rubber hosing that will fit nicely to the nipple and put the other end in an empty 5 litre container.
    fill the reservoir. open the nipple on the box a little (with pipe attached.
    start the engine and let the pump push the steering fluid out through the pipe into the container.
    you can regulate the speed of draining by adjusting the nipple.
    keep the reservoir topped up.
    when the oil leaving the steering box is clean, tighten nipple.
    now turn the steering from side to side a couple of times.
    when smotth and easy, she is free of air.
    check level

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    Quote Originally Posted by Landyluvver View Post


    hint for the day.

    attach a length of around 1m of 6mm id rubber hosing that will fit nicely to the nipple and put the other end in an empty 5 litre container.
    fill the reservoir. open the nipple on the box a little (with pipe attached.
    start the engine and let the pump push the steering fluid out through the pipe into the container.
    you can regulate the speed of draining by adjusting the nipple.
    keep the reservoir topped up.
    when the oil leaving the steering box is clean, tighten nipple.
    now turn the steering from side to side a couple of times.
    when smotth and easy, she is free of air.
    check level
    Hahah thanks. I am going to try it again this weekend.
    I think there is still some air in the system as the steering is not smooth.
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    wahahahahahaha!!!

    you will have to excuse me laughing at your expense

    very funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    wahahahahahaha!!!

    you will have to excuse me laughing at your expense

    very funny
    Not sure if everybody has experienced it. But ATF fluid is very thin and gets everywhere. Even when i repaired the pipes on my system at the resevoir side, it came down on me and everywhere. I certainly didn't need gell for me hair then.
    Its funny come to think of it. You will only do it once, and never again
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    you need a 3 x 6m drip tray!

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    Hahaha yes, I am laughing about it now. But believe me, I didnt laugh when it happened last night. I switched off the garage light, locked the door and walked away.

    Will have to clean up he mess over the weekend. But it is everywhere, the whole engine bay smokes when it gets warm. It's all over the one manifold as well
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    It's a land rover.

    you need a 3x6m drip tray anyway

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    Good time to take the landy for an engine wash
    Cleaning the garage and everything in it is the real problem
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    Quote Originally Posted by bvandyk View Post
    Hahaha yes, I am laughing about it now. But believe me, I didnt laugh when it happened last night. I switched off the garage light, locked the door and walked away.
    Will have to clean up he mess over the weekend. But it is everywhere, the whole engine bay smokes when it gets warm. It's all over the one manifold as well
    Reminds me of when we built a prop - was a tram, fully operational, ran on rails.

    as we could not put up real power cable and use electric motors, we ran a chevy 4100 motor with a hydraulic pump where the gearbox should have been, and hydraulic motors on 4 of the 8 wheels, running about 150bar...

    so, when we came to test before the body went on - we had a few issues as the tar was trapping the wheels on the track so we basically forced it though.

    now you can imagine what a pump that's being pushed by all 100hp does by comparison to a PS pump...

    so one of the hoses let go. bad crimp. that pump moved about a litre a second at 150 bar - thats a serious head!!! and even after you shut it off the fluid kept being pumped by rolling wheels... you had to bring the thing to a stop for the fluid to stop...

    would not have been so funny, except that a couple of the office johnnys had caught a ride - and the bright eyed youngster with the bouffant hairstyle caught most of it. practically hosed him down with about 60litres of the stuff by the time we'd got everything shut off, and there was no hiding, the fall out caught everyone to a greater or lesser degree

    you have never seen so many spiffy white shirts turned to rags so fast.

    you have to love hydraulic fluid!!!

    takes days to get the smell off!!!

    Hilarious

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    First time I changed the oil in my bakkie, didn't actually realise you need a pan or something under the sump when you pull the plug. And that you had to let the car cool down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonRSA View Post
    First time I changed the oil in my bakkie, didn't actually realise you need a pan or something under the sump when you pull the plug. And that you had to let the car cool down.

    Eish.
    Hahahha where did you think the oil would go? 8)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bvandyk View Post
    Hahahha where did you think the oil would go? 8)

    What, you mean the old oil had to come OUT??


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    But now you've got a LR which comes with the bleed and feed method of oil changes. And it's a V8- jy gooi die olie bo in en dit loop onder V8
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    Interesting that you guys battled with the bleeding of the PS.

    On my 300 TDi, after I removed the motor and redid the pipes the PS system only had the oil in the box. I simply filled it up when everything was connected, started the motor and it worked lovely.

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    refilling and change of oil is different.
    refilling you simply add the PAS oil, start the motor, top up, turn the steering left and right a couple of times and it self bleeds.
    with an oil change you need to pump the oil through and replenish as it pumps out.

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