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    I loaned a mate of mine my big car trailer the other day to lug some stuff around...

    he got pulled off at the N2 weighbridge...

    this is how they checked him:

    first up he was driving a Colt 2.8tdi twincab, GVM 2965kg the trailer is a double axle and rated for 3200kg GVM...

    he had:

    front axle - manufacturer rating - 1200kg max - actual 1060 kg
    rear axle - manu. rating - 1750kg max - actual 2180kg overloaded by 430kg to point out here - this is measured with the trailer on...
    trailer, double single axles, manu. rating - 3200kg, actual 2320kg on the axles,

    so, he got a fine for the 430kg overload on the back axle

    PLUS:

    the vehicle exceeded it total mass load with the trailer hitched (sum of 2 axle loads) permissable mass 2950kg, actual 3240kg, so he got fined for the vehicle being overweight by 290kg...

    PLUS:

    Exceeding permissable combination mass, so even though the trailer was legally loaded the ACTUAL weight was used for the total, - rating for the Colt - 4465kg, actual 5560kg - overloaded by 1060 kg, so thats ANOTHER fine....

    fines:

    overloaded rear axle by 430kg, R1500
    overloaded vehicle by 290kg - R900
    exceeded Gross Combination mass by 1090kg - R2500

    TOTAL FINE - R4900

    PLUS:

    he had to get someone to come and offload the excess stuff until it was legal before being allowed to proceed!!!

    so be warned - even if your car is legally loaded (they do allow a 5% margin, BUT if you exceed the 5% you are fined for the full amount) it is measured with the trailer on. hitch weight of 150kg is normal, so a normal twin cab with a 650kg capacity goes down to to half a ton INCLUDING PASSENGERS AND FUEL!!!!

    even if your trailer is legally loaded, if it exceeds the towing capacity of your vehicle you will be fined for it!!!

    when I look at this, and see something like a Toyota twincab with an offroad unbraked trailer with a max mass of 750kg fully loaded for holiday it is so far over the limit it's ridiculous, and you will be KLAPPED!!!

    please also note - there is no BS with the fine either, with a police officer deciding the amounts - the cars registration number is entered, the info on it's model and registered permissable weights is pulled off the database and the fine is generated automatically and handed to you on the spot. not even a chance of a back hander here!!!
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    The Fortuner is overloaded every time I hitch the trailer, I don't even wonder about that. I have more than 400kg accessories on it, and it can carry 620kg legally ......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    when I look at this, and see something like a Toyota twincab with an offroad unbraked trailer with a max mass of 750kg fully loaded for holiday it is so far over the limit it's ridiculous, and you will be KLAPPED!!!
    This will open up a can of worms.
    It would mean that nearly all Double Cabs will be towing a Jurgens Exclusive or even a Jurgens Explorer illegally, just as an example.
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    my suggestion is that you don't drive past a weighbridge, or if you do and they try and pull you off - RUN AWAY!!!!

    I see that up here on the N2 they pull off kitted 4x4s, taxis, trucks and vehicles with a trailer a LOT....

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    Yip, this will not only be a problem for all DC's, but any over-landing vehicle.

    We recently did an exercise on our vehicles that we have prepped for over-landing purposes - when fully stocked (full tanks and water bottles, etc) - all of the vehicles were over their legal limits.

    It is a very good idea to prep your vehicle and have it tested at a weigh bridge before you embark on an over-landing adventure. Check it fully loaded and partially loaded. We have found that it was best to stock up and fill up at the very last possible moment, otherwise you will be in for quite a hefty fine.

    Route planning also becomes very critical ....
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    Next thing we will see here on the forum is a sticky topic with a Data base of all the weighbridges and alternative roads to get around them
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    I think you need to put up a table to what you can load. So a Navara or landy with a 2800kg or 3500kg towing capacity is then illegal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Engel View Post
    I think you need to put up a table to what you can load. So a Navara or landy with a 2800kg or 3500kg towing capacity is then illegal?
    It all comes down to what is printed on your vehicles registration disk.

    Friends of mine were fined R 2000 in Namibia for having seven people in a seven seater Pajero. Although the vehicle is a seven seater, the disk indicated it to be a five seater - hence the fine. And this is the case with most seven seater vehicles - check your disks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Engel View Post
    I think you need to put up a table to what you can load. So a Navara or landy with a 2800kg or 3500kg towing capacity is then illegal?
    Dont think so, Herman, as far as I know, the GVM of the Trailer/Caravan may not exceed the Tare of the Tow Vehicle, no matter what it's capacity is.

    Then you also have to look at GVM of your tow vehicle and the GCM-Gross Combined Mass (GCM-GVM = TOWING LIMIT)

    Here is another thread RE this towing topic: http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/...ad.php?t=68786
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    Ok I've read Apoc's initial post a few times now and still haven't figured out exactly where I stand with my Colt on what I can carry and what I can tow
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    Spike, as its the same model, give or take the shouting it seems it can have:

    1200 kg - front axle
    1750 kg rear axle
    Gross combination mass of 4465 kg...
    total vehicle mass (measured as load on the axles, including trailer tow weight if towing) of 2965 kg - which effectively means a 1500kg trailer...

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    this is the relevant section in the NRTA...

    still trying to make sense of it

    Part IV

    Loads on vehicles

    Manner in which children to be counted for purposes of regulations

    231. For the purposes of establishing the number of persons that may in terms of these regulations, other than regulation 263, be carried on any vehicle, other than a motor cycle, motor tricycle, motor quadrucycle or pedal cycle--

    any child under the age of three years shall not be counted;
    two children of three years or over but under the age of six years shall be counted as one person; and
    three children of six years or over but under the age of 13 years shall be counted as two persons:
    Provided that in applying the provisions of this regulation, fractions shall be disregarded.

    Mass of person and luggage for determining mass of load

    232. For the purposes of establishing the maximum mass of persons and luggage which may be conveyed on a motor vehicle--

    the mass of a person together with his or her personal effects shall, subject to the provisions of regulation 231 be taken as 63 kilograms; and
    in the case of a motor vehicle which is fitted with--
    a luggage compartment, the mass of luggage shall be calculated at the rate of 100 kilograms per cubic metre; or
    a roof rack, the mass of luggage shall be calculated at the rate of 75 kilograms per square metre of area of the roof rack:
    Provided that where a motor vehicle is examined for the purpose of obtaining a roadworthy certificate as contemplated in regulation 142, the provisions of paragraph (b) shall not apply in the determination of the seating capacity of such motor vehicle.

    Number of persons that may be carried on motor vehicle in relation to seating capacity

    233. (1) Subject to the provisions of regulation 231, no person shall operate on a public road a motor vehicle, other than a mini-bus or bus which is used for hire or reward, motorcycle, motor tricycle, motor quadrucycle or pedal cycle if--

    the number of persons on any seat of such vehicle exceeds the number of persons for whom seating accommodation is provided for on such seat, at the rate of 380 millimetres per person measured at the widest part of the seat with the doors closed; and
    the total number of persons carried on such vehicle, excluding persons carried in the goods compartment of the vehicle, exceeds the number of persons for whom seating accommodation, determined in the manner referred to in paragraph (a), is available in such vehicle: Provided that, one child over the age of three years but under the age of six years may be carried on each transverse seat, in excess of the number of persons for whom seating accommodation is available on such seat, determined in the manner referred to in paragraph (a).
    (2) Subject to the provisions of regulation 231, no person shall operate on a public road, a bus or a mini-bus, if the number of persons on any seat exceeds the number of persons for whom seating accommodation is provided for on such seat, at the rate of--

    400 millimetres per person in the case of a bus; or
    380 millimetres per person in the case of a mini-bus,
    measured at the widest part of the seat with the doors closed.

    (3) For the purposes of the proviso to subregulation (1)(b), a row of seats shall be regarded as one seat.

    (4) Where in this regulation a reference is made to a maximum or minimum dimension, a tolerance of 10 millimetres apply to such dimension.

    Permissible maximum axle massload of vehicle

    234. (1) No person shall operate on a public road a mini-bus, bus, tractor or goods vehicle if the permissible maximum axle massload of such vehicle is exceeded.

    (2) The permissible maximum axle massload of a vehicle shall be the least of the mass limits determined by--

    regulation 238(1) in respect of a vehicle fitted with pneumatic tyres or regulation 238(2) and 243 in respect of a vehicle fitted with tyres other than pneumatic tyres;
    regulation 239(1)(a)(ii); and
    regulation 240(a), (b) and (c).
    Permissible maximum axle unit massload of vehicle

    235. (1) No person shall operate on a public road a mini-bus, bus, tractor or goods vehicle if the permissible maximum axle unit massload of such vehicle is exceeded.

    (2) The permissible maximum axle unit massload of a vehicle shall be the least of the mass limits determined by--

    regulation 238(1) in respect of a vehicle fitted with pneumatic tyres or regulation 238(2) and 243 in respect of a vehicle fitted with tyres other than pneumatic tyres;
    regulation 239(1)(a)(iii); and
    regulation 240(d), (e), (f) and (g).
    Permissible maximum vehicle mass

    236. (1) No person shall operate on a public road a mini-bus, bus, tractor or goods vehicle if the permissible maximum vehicle mass of such vehicle is exceeded.

    (2) The permissible maximum vehicle mass of a vehicle shall be the least of the mass limits determined by--

    the sum of all the permissible maximum axle massloads and axle unit massloads of the vehicle as contemplated in regulations 234 and 235;
    regulation 239(1)(a)(i);
    regulation 239(2);
    regulation 239(3); and
    regulation 241:
    Provided that the permissible maximum vehicle mass of such vehicle shall not exceed 56 000 kilograms.

    Permissible maximum combination mass

    237. (1) No person shall operate on a public road a combination of vehicles where the drawing vehicle is a mini-bus, bus, tractor or goods vehicle, if the permissible maximum combination mass of such combination is exceeded.

    (2) The permissible maximum combination mass of a combination of vehicles shall be the least of the mass limits determined by--

    the sum of all the permissible maximum axle massloads and axle unit massloads of the combination of vehicles as contemplated in regulations 234 and 235;
    regulation 239(1)(b);
    regulation 239(2);
    regulation 239(3); and
    regulation 241:
    Provided that the permissible maximum combination mass of such combination shall not exceed 56 000 kilograms.

    Load on tyres

    238. (1) No person shall operate on a public road a motor vehicle--

    which is fitted with pneumatic tyres, where any wheel massload is in excess of the wheel massload referred to in the appropriate part of the standard specification SABS 1550: "Motor Vehicle Tyres and Rims: Dimensions and Loads", Part 1 "General", Part 2 "Passenger car tyres", Part 3 "Commercial vehicle tyres"; or
    where any pneumatic tyre is not mentioned in the standard specification referred to in paragraph (a), where the wheel massload is in excess of the wheel massload approved by the manufacturer of the tyre concerned:
    Provided that for the purposes of determining the pressure in a tyre the temperature of the tyre shall be disregarded.

    (2) No person shall operate on a public road any vehicle fitted with tyres, other than pneumatic tyres, if the wheel massload exceeds eight kilograms per one millimetre width of any such tyre.

    Gross vehicle mass, gross axle massload, gross axle unit massload, gross combination mass, power to mass ratio and axle massload of driving axle to total mass ratio not to be exceeded

    239. (1) No person shall operate on a public road a mini-bus, bus, tractor or goods vehicle--

    if--
    the gross vehicle mass;
    any gross axle massload; or
    any gross axle unit massload,
    is exceeded;

    drawing any other motor vehicle if the gross combination mass is exceeded.
    (2) No person shall operate on a public road a vehicle which is a minibus, bus, tractor or goods vehicle if the mass in kilograms of such vehicle or of a combination of vehicles of which such first-mentioned vehicle forms a part, whether laden or unladen, exceeds a figure arrived at by multiplying the net power in kilowatts of the engine of such vehicle as determined in accordance with or calculated with due regard to code of practice SABS 013 "The determination of performance (at net power) of internal combustion engines"--

    in the case of the drawing vehicle being a tractor by 400; or
    in the case of any other vehicle by 240.
    (3) No person shall operate on a public road a vehicle which is a mini-bus, bus, tractor or goods vehicle if the mass in kilograms of such vehicle or of a combination of vehicles of which such first-mentioned vehicle forms a part, whether laden or unladen, exceeds five times the total axle massload of the driving axle or axles of such vehicle.

    Massload carrying capacity of road

    240. No person shall operate on a public road a motor vehicle or a combination of motor vehicles, the wheels of which are fitted with pneumatic tyres, if--

    the wheel massload of wheels--
    which are fitted to a steering axle, exceeds 3 850 kilograms; or
    which are fitted to axles other than a steering axle, exceeds 4 000 kilograms;
    the axle massload of an axle fitted with two or three wheels and--
    which is a steering axle, exceeds 7 700 kilograms; or
    which is an axle other than a steering axle, exceeds 8 000 kilograms;
    the axle massload of an axle fitted with four wheels and--
    which is fitted to a vehicle designed to compact refuse and which is carrying such refuse, exceeds 10 200 kilograms;
    which is fitted to a breakdown vehicle, exceeds 10 200 kilograms;
    which is placed in the rear or middle of a bus-train, exceeds 10 200 kilograms;
    which is fitted to a bus, other than a bus-train, exceeds 10 200 kilograms; or
    which is not mentioned in subparagraphs (i) to (iv), exceeds 9 000 kilograms;
    the axle massload of an axle unit which consists of two axles, each of which are fitted with two or three wheels, and--
    which is a steering axle unit, exceeds 15 400 kilograms; or
    which is an axle unit other than a steering axle unit, exceeds 16 000 kilograms;
    the axle massload of an axle unit which consists of two axles, each of which are fitted with four wheels, and--
    which is fitted to a vehicle, except a trailer designed to compact refuse and which is carrying such refuse, exceeds 20 400 kilograms;
    which is fitted to a breakdown vehicle, exceeds 20 400 kilograms; or
    which is not mentioned in subparagraphs (i) and (ii), exceeds 18 000 kilograms;
    the axle massload of an axle unit which consists of three or more axles, each of which are fitted with two or three wheels, and--
    which is a steering axle unit, exceeds 23 100 kilograms; or
    which is an axle unit other than a steering axle unit, exceeds 24 000 kilograms;
    the axle massload of an axle unit which consists of three or more axles, each of which are fitted with four wheels, exceeds 24 000 kilograms.
    Massload carrying capacity of bridges

    241. (1) No person shall operate on a public road a vehicle or combination of vehicles, the wheels of which are fitted with pneumatic tyres, if the total axle massload of any group of axles of such vehicle or combination of vehicles exceeds the mass in kilograms determined by multiplying the dimension of such group measured as referred to in subregulation (3) by 2 100 and adding 18000.

    (2) A group of axles referred to in subregulation (1) may comprise any series of axles, but shall not consist of one axle unit referred to in regulation 240(d), (e), (f) or (g) alone.

    (3) (a) The dimension referred to in subregulation (1) shall be measured in metres and tenths of metres from the centre of the first axle of any group of axles to the centre of the last axle of such group.

    If the dimension so measured is not a definite figure in metres and tenths of a metre, the next highest number of tenths of a metre with which the dimension so measured is exceeded shall be used for the calculation referred to in subregulation (1).
    Where a group of axles of a combination of vehicles is measured, the vehicles of such combination shall be positioned in line and both sides of such combination of vehicles shall be measured, and if the dimensions of the two sides differ, the longer dimension shall be used for the calculation referred to in subregulation (1).
    Distribution of axle massload and wheel massload on vehicle fitted with pneumatic tyres

    242. Notwithstanding the provisions of regulation 240 no person shall operate on a public road a motor vehicle which is fitted with pneumatic tyres if--

    on any axle with--
    two tyres, the wheel massload on one tyre exceeds the wheel massload on the other tyre by more than 10 per cent; or
    four tyres, the wheel massload on two tyres nearest to each other exceeds the wheel massload on the other two tyres by more than 10 per cent;
    in the case of an articulated motor vehicle the axle massload of any steering axle or the sum of the axle massloads of any steering axle unit is less than 11 per cent of the sum of all axle massloads of such vehicle;
    in the case of a motor vehicle, not being an articulated motor vehicle, with a steering axle unit, the sum of the axle massloads of such steering axle unit is less than 30 per cent of the sum of all axle massloads of such vehicle; or
    in the case of any other vehicle the axle massload of a steering axle is less than 20 per cent of the sum of all axle massloads of such vehicle, except in the case of a tractor when the axle massload of the steering axle shall not be less than 12 per cent of the sum of all the axle massloads of such tractor.
    Axle massload of vehicles fitted with tyres other than pneumatic tyres

    243. No person shall operate on a public road a vehicle fitted--

    with metal tyres, if any axle massload of such vehicle exceeds 2 700 kilograms; or
    with tyres, other than pneumatic or metal tyres, if any axle massload or the sum of all axle massloads of such vehicle exceeds 50 per cent of that permitted for vehicles fitted with pneumatic tyres in terms of regulation 240 or, if the axle massload of any steering axle of such vehicle does not comply with the requirements of paragraphs (b), (c) or (d) of regulation 242.

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    Where can I get the GCM-Gross Combined Mass of a Defender 110 TD5?
    Tare - 2055 kg;
    GVM - 2950 kg;
    GCM -
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    That is why I setup my car as I do.

    Air springs to level it so it never looks overloaded.
    I pump the tyres so they don't look overloaded.
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    well, a funny thing - we've had this discussion and people keep on about how you can tow your tare and stuff, I've never been able to find the relevant law to that, and I've posted above the bit from NRTA that applies - and makes no sense at all to me...

    but it seems from the fine the database is accessed to get the vehicle information and what is applied is the MANUFACTURERS spec for front and rear axles and towing limits.

    for Johan JvV - the specs for a defender are here: http://www.um.co.za/specifications/l...ty_(2002).aspx - manufacturers tow limit is 3500kg...

    the limits applied to my mates car are the manufacturer limits and not calculated from tare and so on:

    http://www.um.co.za/specifications/m...ab_(2002).aspx

    shows gross laden mass of 2950 kg and towing capacity of 1500kg, same as the model info they picked up on the sheet at the weighbridge...

    so I'd say they are using manufacturer limits at a guess....

    usually there is a plate somewhere on the vehicle with all the details such as axle masses and so on on it.

    also interesting to note - 1950kg GVM , front axle 1200kg, rear 1750kg - even if you are under the limit, if you packed badly and put too much weight over the back axle, you will still be fines
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    for Johan JvV - the specs for a defender are here: http://www.um.co.za/specifications/l...ty_(2002).aspx - manufacturers tow limit is 3500kg...


    so I'd say they are using manufacturer limits at a guess....
    Thanks

    Also a bit worrying if the use Manufacturers limits (OK if your vehicle is under warrantee, stick to it).
    This would entail that you may not tow a Jurgens Explorer (GVM 1650kg) with either a Hilux or a VW Amarok.

    Read more here: http://www.caravansa.co.za/caravan_c...article_id=393
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    well, I don't know to be honest.

    the NRTA seems to be a little difficult to understand, and does not anywhere mention that a trailer may not exceed the vehicle's Tare....

    it merely mentions permissable axle loads...

    which seem to be part of the vehicle's SABS approval and seem to be the manufacturers specifications at this stage of the game...

    which is crazy for me. I better get a trailer, the Wrangler can tow 3500kg, but only load 650kg, so if I have a trailer I probably can't legally put anything in the boot

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohanJvV View Post
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    Also a bit worrying if the use Manufacturers limits (OK if your vehicle is under warrantee, stick to it).
    This would entail that you may not tow a Jurgens Explorer (GVM 1650kg) with either a Hilux or a VW Amarok.
    Read more here: http://www.caravansa.co.za/caravan_c...article_id=393
    from the fine he has received I would say that a lot of people are going to be very grumpy very soon - the article appears to be wrong in terms of the fine...

    of course - it seems to that they did not worry about the theoretical max load of the trailer, but the ACTUAL loads - so if you have a 1650kg caravan loaded to 1500kg behind an Amarok you won't be fined...

    it SEEMS.

    but who the hell knows?

    its crazy that its so unclear...

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    The manufacturers stats/spec are crazy.

    Corolla - 1400kg
    LC - 1500kg

    So how does that one work.
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    On Nissan website :Navara 4x4 can legally tow a 3000kg trailer with over run brakes. The GVM is around 3100kg. What now?

    The amarok advert they tow another amarok on a trailer.

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