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    Default Dammit! I have an itch!

    And now I'm even dreaming about it at night, 2 nights in a row now

    But the timing is off! The itch is only supposed to come early 2012 so I can pick up a 2011 demo for a bargain...

    Definitely the 3.6
    At 210kW, it's like the volumetric efficiency of European and Japanese engines.
    The 5.7 at 259kW is just too American.

    SWAMBO even loves it!
    Ai, just the bloody timing

    White, 3.6 Overland or even the Limited will be fine. Around 20k km on the clock, registered "last year".
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedLineR View Post
    And now I'm even dreaming about it at night, 2 nights in a row now
    But the timing is off! The itch is only supposed to come early 2012 so I can pick up a 2011 demo for a bargain...
    Definitely the 3.6
    At 210kW, it's like the volumetric efficiency of European and Japanese engines.
    The 5.7 at 259kW is just too American.
    SWAMBO even loves it!
    Ai, just the bloody timing
    White, 3.6 Overland or even the Limited will be fine. Around 20k km on the clock, registered "last year".
    The 5.7 at 259kW is just too American.
    Which means it is unstressed and will last forever
    Just do it Red - you know you want to !!

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    Only one thing that can scratch that itch. Buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThysleRoux View Post
    Which means it is unstressed and will last forever
    Just do it Red - you know you want to !!
    hehehehhe, that may be true Thys, but I won't last forever. Don't want an engine outliving me! Jap reliability and longevity is just fine

    After I posted, I thought: You know you're posting this on the wrong forum for sound financial advice And I figured you'd be first

    But I have to be strong! I have to resist! Just for 9 more months!!!!
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    But just like when I saw the WJ for the first time...

    I think this is the most beautiful SUV on the road today. It's even prettier than the GV.

    Would this then be the "WL"?
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    Welcome to the Dark side Redliner

    nobody can hold out for long!!!

    the dark side leads to Diesel... Diesel...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    the dark side leads to Diesel... Diesel...
    They don't put crap engines in these new GCs
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedLineR View Post
    hehehehhe, that may be true Thys, but I won't last forever. Don't want an engine outliving me! Jap reliability and longevity is just fine
    After I posted, I thought: You know you're posting this on the wrong forum for sound financial advice And I figured you'd be first
    But I have to be strong! I have to resist! Just for 9 more months!!!!
    Since when has buying a vehicle been a financial matter ?
    I have to resist! Just for 9 more months!!!!
    Are you pregnant ?

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    LOL Thys, you're not helping, you know that!
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    RR, you and me both dude... If you do find a sales guy willing to do some work that is.....
    I like anything with 4 or more wheels...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedLineR View Post
    But just like when I saw the WJ for the first time...

    I think this is the most beautiful SUV on the road today. It's even prettier than the GV.

    Would this then be the "WL"?
    For some reason they call it the WK2!
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    NO DIESEL OPTION

    That's OUTRAGEOUS!!

    I thought it was coming with the new V6 biturbo diesel?

    RA 630 DOHC
    A 3.0 L (2,987 cc/182.3 cu in) double overhead camshaft V6, featuring four valves-per-cylinder and common-rail direct fuel injection.
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    • 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee
    Estimated available power: 247 hp (184 kW); torque: 406 ft•lbf (550 N m)
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    thats insane.

    by the way Redliner - the V6 may make good power, 210kW and 347Nm vs 259kW and 520N.m. for the V8...

    but the torque is way down. Torque is what does the accelerating bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    but the torque is way down. Torque is what does the accelerating bit
    Torque (as in wheel torque for acceleration) is gained through gearing.
    kW cannot be made by anything but the engine.
    That's why the petrols still do better in the 0-100 department
    Not to mention the wider rev range

    People put waaaay too much emphasis on engine torque.

    Edit:
    Yes I know I'm over-simplifying. You can roast me about that later. But you understand the gist of what I'm saying!
    Having 8000Nm of torque, means nothing if your rev range is 0-2rpm. That just means you're sitting with about 2kW.
    Having 300Nm of torque means much more if you have a rev range of 1500-6000. That means you have 200kW.
    Yes, I'm too lazy to do the calc to pin down the exact rpm, and work through the drive-train to calc wheel torque and speeds.
    But, an Excel sheet might work a charm.

    In the end, the kW dictates the performance you can achieve via the total driveline ratio. From engine, through gearbox, through final drive, through tyre diameter. The less kW you have, the more limited your options to achieve overall performance.

    PPS:
    Biturbo, just means Bi-cost when it comes to replacing them
    Sheesh! Now I'm stirring!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johan View Post
    For some reason they call it the WK2!
    Thanks Johan!
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    347Nm is more than sufficient. Anyway, you don't need torque when you've already got plenty of momentum from the 210 kw . You don't need traction whilst airbourne

    RLR - go scratch the itch & please keep us posted

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedLineR View Post
    Torque (as in wheel torque for acceleration) is gained through gearing.
    kW cannot be made by anything but the engine.
    That's why the petrols still do better in the 0-100 department
    Not to mention the wider rev range
    People put waaaay too much emphasis on engine torque.
    Edit:
    Yes I know I'm over-simplifying. You can roast me about that later. But you understand the gist of what I'm saying!
    Having 8000Nm of torque, means nothing if your rev range is 0-2rpm. That just means you're sitting with about 2kW.
    Having 300Nm of torque means much more if you have a rev range of 1500-6000. That means you have 200kW.
    show me the petrol motor under 3 litres, or even under 4 litres that has 200kW available from 1500rpm to 6000rpm...

    or anything other than a big spike in the torque and power curve and drifts off either side of it...

    Acceleration is a function of the area under the Force at wheel graph vs the SPEED range. and thats a function of torque, gearing and tyre size... nothing to do with power.

    most petrol motors are geared for over 300km/h in top, diesels for 200km/h or so... my diesel will pull 200km/h, I bet a V6 Wrangler won't come near that...

    bit pointless being geared for 300km/h on the road

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    oh dear. are we back on this again

    I see the GC will be available mid 2011 with the diesel...

    just in time for you to buy one Redline

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    Quote Originally Posted by redliner View Post
    but just like when i saw the wj for the first time...

    I think this is the most beautiful suv on the road today. It's even prettier than the gv.

    Would this then be the "wl"?

    rr as they say.......its a jeep thing;d;d;d
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    Kyk ook na die Prado......
    Everything is a hammer.
    Unless it is a screw driver.

    Then it it a chisel.

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    hehehehehehe
    I win!
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