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    Default HELP - Landy stuck - Electrical problem

    Away from home visiting my parents for the weekend.

    Me and my dad decided to go and play in the mud a bit Lots of rain in the past 24 hours.

    Anyway, on the way back I notice my whole dashboard is dead. No speedo, no ref counter, no indicators.
    The head ligths and some lights on the dash still worked.
    Went through all the fuses, and replaced a fuse. All seemed to work until I tried to start the landy. Immobilizer dead

    Check the fuses again, all looks fine. Check the fuses under the seat and found another blown fuse. Put in a new fuse and immediately the alarm starts going mad. Remote does not seem to switch it off. Leave it screaming for a while then the fuse blown again!

    Where can I start looking?
    Dont have my rave manual here with me
    Need to drive home this afternoon.


    And here I was, thinking that TD5's does not give electrical problems
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    Check to fuse box for melted wires and then swop out the realays.
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    The fuse that blows now is 15A and marked as Alarm System. It's the one under the drivers seat.
    I've used up all my 15A fuses now... It blows immediately now everytime I put it in.

    Anyone know of a Land Rover Independant in Pietermaritzburg??
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    Quote Originally Posted by RudolfD2 View Post
    Check to fuse box for melted wires and then swop out the realays.
    Wires and relays seem all fine.

    From what I've been reading the problem could be related to the IDM thats faulty. Mostly happen because of water / moist.
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    There is something under the Defenders seat that shouldn't get wet. Maybe check this little place out first.


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    Quote Originally Posted by offroad addict View Post
    there is something under the defenders seat that shouldn't get wet. Maybe check this little place out first.
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    Lucas smoke replacement kit. Very essential for all British cars.

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    try using a hair dryer to dry the fuse box etc out....
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    My dad will take SWAMBO back home early in the morning so that she can be in time for work...

    I'll go and buy more fuses and try the hairdryer thing. If that fails will phone an auto electrician to come out.

    Plod, does Mike work on Landy's? / Know Landy's?
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    Mike Grant is an independant Land Rover mechanic and has worked on Land Rovers for ever. He has a workshop on the south side of PMB.
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    still stuck in maritzburg

    Spoke to Mike and he referred me to auto elec. Waiting for him to arrive...

    fuse stopped poping, but keyfob seems to do Nothing. immobiliser gives two hoots when trying to start. wondering if the keyfob lost its sync?
    dont have my security code or a spare keyfob.
    how can one disable the immobiliser completely on td5?
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    This may Help? (Unfortunately need an EKU code), maybe try resync the fib tho?

    Following are the correct procedure to TEMPORALY override your immobiliser. As you will see this procedure only lst for one start cycly so its not going to solve your problem. Try the Resynchronisation procedure mentioned futher down, maybe it will help.

    The EKA code involves the input of a unique four digit code which is entered using the ignition switch and the
    drivers door switch. Note that the alarm sounder will operate as soon as the drivers door is opened and will
    continue until the sequence is successfully completed.
    To enter the code (2, 3, 4, 5 for example) perform the following steps:
    1. Remove the handset from the key ring and position the handset well away from the ignition switch when
    entering the code.
    2. Open the driver’s door and immediately insert the key in the ignition switch and turn the ignition switch to
    position II. Hold this position until the alarm sounds, then switch the ignition off (position 0) and close the
    driver’s door.
    3. Enter the first digit of the code. Turn the ignition on (to position II) and then off twice. Open and close the
    driver’s door to enter the first digit.
    4. Enter the second digit. Turn the ignition on and then off, three times. Open and close the driver’s door to
    enter the second digit.
    5. Enter the third digit. Turn the ignition on and then off, four times. Open and close the driver’s door to enter
    the third digit.
    6. Enter the fourth digit. Turn the ignition on and then off, five times. Open and close the driver’s door to enter
    the fourth digit. If the code has been entered correctly, the alarm LED in the instrument pack will extinguish
    and the engine can be started after the last closure of the driver’s door.
    If a digit is incorrectly entered, holding the ignition switch in the on position for more than 5 seconds will reset the
    sequence. The code must then be re-entered from the beginning.
    If the EKA code is correctly entered, the security LED will illuminate for 1 second, the immobilisation will be
    disabled and the alarm sounder will cease to operate.
    If the EKA code is incorrectly entered, the alarm sounder will sound twice and the correct code must be
    re-entered, If the EKA code is incorrectly entered three times the system invokes a 30 minute lockout. This is
    signalled by the LED flashing with a long illuminated period followed by a short extinguished period for the lockout
    duration.
    NOTE: Disabling the alarm and immobilisation system using the EKA procedure is only valid for
    one ignition on/off cycle. When the ignition is switched off, the immobilisation system will be
    activated after a period of 30 seconds. If the remote handset is still unavailable, the EKA
    procedure will have to be repeated each time the vehicle is to be driven.
    Resynchronisation of Remote Handset
    If either the remote handset battery or the vehicle battery is removed or disconnected, the rolling part the handset
    code is lost and the handset(s) need to be resynchronised to the anti-theft alarm ECU.

    The resynchronisation procedure is as follows:
    • Disconnect the vehicle battery.
    • Wait for 30 seconds for residual current to dissipate.
    • Reconnect the vehicle battery.
    • Carefully prise the remote handset apart and remove the battery. Avoid unnecessary handling of the battery.
    • With the battery removed, press either the lock or unlock button several times to remove residual current from
    the circuitry.
    • Check the handset battery with a voltmeter. If the battery voltage is less than 2.7 volts, replace the battery.
    • Ensure that the battery contact surfaces are clean and replace the battery in the handset clip with the + symbol
    uppermost. Put the two halves of the handset case back together.
    • DO NOT press any buttons.
    • With the handset within range of the vehicle, press the lock button four times in quick succession. The
    anti-theft alarm ECU will respond by locking the vehicle.
    • Press the unlock button once to complete the resynchronisation procedure.
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    http://www.autodiagnos.com/fileadmin...drover_eka.pdf

    If it's any help Apparently LR can give you an EKA code, perhaps phone the PMB dealer? You will need you VIN number


    DEFENDER EKA (KAC) Code

    Use the EKA code to temporarily de-activate DEFENDER immobiliser.
    This will allow you to start your car if the key fob is broken or lost. For insurance purposes you should replace your key fob & re-activate the immobiliser as soon as possible.
    How to get your EKA Code:

    To supply you with the EKA code we require the VIN number and your email address. The VIN number begins with SARR or SAXX and should be seventeen characters in length. It can be found near the windscreen or printed on your V5 (Vehicle Registration Document).
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    Okay I'm finally back home ;-)

    Discovered the most well known TD5 "bug" during the investigations... Lots of oil in the red ECU plug. Have never experienced any known symptoms of it though... Can this cause the Alarm / Immobilizer fuse to pop?

    The other fuse that blown cuts off the aircon fan, both indicators, all the gauges and the rear wiper. All on the same fuse. (10A) Is this correct

    We fiddled with all the wires and cleaned the red ECU plug. Also found a dry joint in the key fob.
    Now the landy starts without problem and all the fuses are lasting.

    But the first time we got it started I drove to the auto elec's workshop. And during this trip the fuse for fan, indicators, gauges and wiper blown again. Replaced it, and now all seem fine.

    Drove to Umdloti with no problem and all fuses still in tact.
    I suspect the wires shaved through somewhere and making a dead short... Will see if the problem returns. Could the oil in the ECU plug cause this though?

    Will get the injector harness replaced also.
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    Good to hear that you made it home.
    Even better to hear that your joint did not get wet!
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    BTW Mike Grant was very helpful and extremely eager to help. He said if I did not come right with the auto electrician he referred me to that I should phone him again.
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    Mike Grant is probably one of the nicest guys around! If you are in the PMB area and have any Landy issues he should be your first stop. A really decent chap! What he has already forgotten about Land Rovers, many of us will never even learn!

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    Mike Grant, some useless info, he raced in the motor bike GP series in Europe in the 70's on a Yamaha 350.
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    Seems like oil in the loom can cause the insulation to degrade and cause shorts. But I'm not too sure this is what caused the fuses to blow.. The oil is in the wires that goes to the injectors, and not the alarm or indicators of fan or gauges.
    Troubleshooting these intermittent faults is a real pain and will cost a fortune for an indie to sort out I guess...
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