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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Lemon View Post
    What's interesting is the Rangy can tow 6500kgs up to 30 kmph. From a manual I paged through.
    That is without damage to the rangie. Cops will not see the humor in this
    Sad part is that when my pajero blew its engine I asked brother in law to recover with his landy and being a fairly new one he phoned land rover to find out if the landy was up to this. He was told in no uncertain terms that his guarantee would be voided and that they strongly opposed the recovery. We had to settle for a condor to tow the trailer with the pajero on, quite scary up the mountain at watefal boven but slow and steady wins the race

    What bugs me about this new lot is if I hook a venter to the back of my golf it is now illegal due to the new weight restrictions even if it is less than half of the golf's weight
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    So glad the Disco is a HEAVY weight vehicle and I got the EB automatically.
    From all of this - the ability of your vehicle and the law do not see each other.
    Knowing what the law says makes it easier for us to make decicions.
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    For some reason I missed this thread until now.

    Firstly, what criteria was used with the automatic issue-ing of the BE license? I had a normal Code 08, and when we went to the new card license, mine was put down as BE. My wife is classed a B (I got my license in 1991, she in 2001)

    My Vitara has a Tare of 1100kg. That means I am not allowed to tow ANYTHING, since even the smallest trailers on the market have GVM's of around 650kg. (And a tare of only 160kg. BUT, according to this, it will be illegal to tow even an empty Venter or bike trailer....since they have unbraked axles.)

    I must try to get my hands on the Namibian regs. IIRC, you may tow half the vehicle's weight, max 750kg, unbraked, or up to the vehicles tare weight braked, if this does not exceed the GCM of the vehicle.

    The trailer weight in our case is NOT the GVM as indicated on the license of the trailer, but the actual weight of the LOADED trailer, as determined by a weighbridge. This makes more sense. (I'll have to confirm this, but it is the way the law is enforced. But dealing with insurance may be different!)

    This brings me to my last question. Lets ASSUME the law in Namibia is different than SA. For a Suffer it would be illegal to tow a Venter behind a Citigolf, but here it would be legal. In case of an accident, the insurance can refuse the claim in SA. Now, what about if a SA reg rig is in an accident in Namibia (where the rig is legal) or a Nam reg'ed rig is involved in an accident in SA (The Citi + Venter was legal until crossing to SA, then became illegal?) What will / can the insurance / authorities do in this scenario??

    Why do they have to bloody complicate everything to the point no sane human can understand it

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    Okay - if you did your licence under the old system you got a code 08 which automatically became an EB when the new system kicked in.

    If you did it under the K53 system you got a B....

    It is not the case that your Vitara may not tow. it may tow up to it's legal limit as proscribed by the manufacturer, and the trailer must be braked as proscribed by law.

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    the section from the NRTA:



    National Road Traffic Act, 1996
    National Road Traffic Regulations, 1999
    Chapter VI : Fitness of Vehicles
    Part II : Equipment on or in respect of vehicles
    151. Brakes on trailers



    1) Subject to the provisions of subregulation (4) no person shall operate on a public road trailer, if-

    a) The gross vehicle mass of such a vehicle does not exceed 750 kilograms and the gross vehicle mass

    i) Does not exceed half the tare of the drawing vehicle, unless such trailer is equipped with a parking brake or other device to keep such trailer stationary;

    ii) Exceeds half the tare of the drawing vehicle but does exceed such tare unless such trailer is equipped with a parking brake; or

    iii) Exceeds the tare of the drawing vehicle, unless such trailer is equipped parking brake and a service break;

    b) Te gross vehicle mass of such trailer exceeds 750 kilograms but does not exceed 3 500 kilograms and the gross vehicle mass –

    i) Does not exceed the tare of the drawing vehicle, unless such trailer is equipped with a parking break and either an overturn brake or a service break; or

    ii) Exceeds the tare of the drawing vehicle; unless the trailer is equipped with a parking brake and a service break,

    c) The gross vehicle mass of the trailer exceeds 3 500 kilograms, unless such trailer is equipped with a parking brake and a service brake

    and where more than one trailer is drawn by a drawing vehicle, the foregoing requirements shall apply in respect of each such trailer, and in such event the gross vehicle mass shall be constructed as the total of the gross vehicle mass of all trailers so drawn.

    2) The service brake of a trailer shall be capable of being operated by the driver of the drawing vehicle while such vehicle and drawing vehicle are in motion.

    3) If the service or overrun brake of a trailer is capable of being used as a parking brake, a separate parking brake need not be fitted to such trailer.

    4) Notwithstanding sub-regulation (1)(c), if a trailer referred to in that sub-regulation is drawn by a tractor and such tractor is not designed for or capable of operation at a speed exceeding 40 kilometres per hour on a reasonably level road, such trailer may be equipped with an overrun brake in lieu of a service brake.

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    hmmmm...

    I got that from: http://www.acts.co.za/rt_nrta/index.htm

    since the official governement site no longer allows you access (nothing like access to the law hey... )

    anyway - section (a) (ii) does not read quite right and there are some spelling mistakes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by r2d2c3po View Post
    You probably have a short piece of chain, and a piece of metal that fit through one of the wheels.

    That is a parking brake
    Ok now I know I always wondered what that was for.
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    This means that with a B license, I'm only allowed to tow up to 750kg?

    Now what off-road trailer will weight less than that? I don't believe there is any.

    Better start making a plan to do EB license.

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    Hi
    Please help me out here.
    I have a Kia Sportage 2002 with : GVM 1928kg and Tarra 1440kg.
    Is it legal to tow a small trailer ( say a venter) with the Kia?
    Is it legal to tow a small caravan(say a sprite swift 1984) with the Kia?
    Is it legal to tow a car with a tow rope (say from where it broke down to the nearest garage?

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    Not to confuse the issue further!
    If the trailer has a GVM of 750 kg the tow car has to have a tare of 1500 kg to be legal if not the trailer has to have brakes!
    your Kia can tow a trailer with a GVM of 720 kgs, 721 kgs and u have to have brakes fitted to the trailer! U may tow a small caravan as long as it has brakes or way less than 720 kgs.
    I was in a situation where my jet ski trailer was registered as 500 kgs no brakes needed but common sense prevailed, two skis plus camping equipment was a lot more than the 500 kg GVM stated on the plate, if i was stopped and escorted to a weigh bridge, say no more, had brakes fitted and the trailer re registered GVM now 900kg. ( cost of upgrade 6.5 k) Rather safe than sorry!
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    "Towing in tandem

    There are some caravaners who like to tow an additional trailer or perhaps even a boat behind their caravan and do so quite successfully. While there is no immediate restriction to prevent this practise – other than the warranty of the caravan becoming null and void – there are certain restrictions.
    The first restriction is that you may not have two vehicles (a vehicle is classified as having an engine driving wheels) pulling a trailer; rather you are allowed one towing vehicle pulling two trailers (a caravan and a luggage trailer or boat) providing the maximum length does not exceed 22 metres."


    OK, I know this is not advisable, but I do not have a choice this year

    I just want to make sure that I my setup is legal

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    Over all Lenght - 4829 m
    Tara - 2548 kg
    GVM - 3240 kg

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    Over all Lenght - 7330 m
    Tara - 1504 kg
    GVM - 1750 kg

    Venter Elite 6
    Over all Lenght - 2890 m
    Tara - 160 kg
    GVM - 700 kg

    Total Lenght = 15 m < 22 m according to law
    Vehicle TARA = 2548 > 2450 TARA Caravan + Trailer

    So I should be in the parameters of the law

    I do have an EB licence which allows me to drive a vehicle up to 3500 TARA and thus also allows me to tow a TRAILER i.e. up to 3500 kg,

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    Hi,

    you have to double the GVM of the venter as it is unbraked, so your combination is illegal.

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    Whoa!!! All wrong.

    You may tow 2 trailers provided you have the GCM on the tow vehicle to accommodate them.

    A 750kg or less trailer does not need brakes, nor does it get multiplied or anything.

    NRTA is very clear, ivecposted them many times, I can't get the act up here though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Whoa!!! All wrong.

    You may tow 2 trailers provided you have the GCM on the tow vehicle to accommodate them.

    A 750kg or less trailer does not need brakes, nor does it get multiplied or anything.

    NRTA is very clear, ivecposted them many times, I can't get the act up here though...

    Land Rover Discovery V8 HSE - GCM = 6780kg
    Comination 2548+1750+700 = 4998 kg

    GCM LR - 6780 > 4998

    So I assume I am safe

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    What does the law say about a A-frame tow vehicle, the problem here is its almost impossible to add a brake system to the vehicle being towed.
    My Thar weigh 1700kg, I know the Pajero are allowed to tow that weight according to the GCM - but its not braked??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Navigator View Post
    What does the law say about a A-frame tow vehicle, the problem here is its almost impossible to add a brake system to the vehicle being towed.
    My Thar weigh 1700kg, I know the Pajero are allowed to tow that weight according to the GCM - but its not braked??
    here you go:

    National Road Traffic Act, 1996
    National Road Traffic Regulations, 1999
    Chapter X : Rules of the road and matters relating thereto
    Part III : General
    330. Towing of vehicles




    1) No person shall operate a vehicle on a public road towing another vehicle –

    a) if the length of the tow-rope, chain or tow-bar between the two vehicles exceeds three and a half metres;

    b) if the towed vehicle is connected to the towing vehicle in such a manner that both vehicles are not under control;

    c) unless the steering gear of the vehicle being towed is controlled by a person holding a code of driving licence authorising him or her to drive the class of such vehicle, if the towed vehicle is fitted with steering gear contemplated in regulation 200(1): Provided that the provisions of this paragraph shall not apply in the case where –

    i) the steerable wheels of the towed vehicle are being carried clear of the ground; or

    ii) the device connecting the towing vehicle to the towed vehicle is such that the steerable wheels of the towed vehicle are controlled by such device;

    d) if the brakes of the towed vehicle do not comply with the provisions of regulation 155, unless the towing vehicle is connected to the towed vehicle by means of a drawbar or tow-bar;

    e) at a speed in excess of 30 kilometres per hour, unless the towing vehicle is connected to the towed vehicle by means of a drawbar or a tow-bar;

    f) if the towed vehicle is conveying persons at a speed in excess of 30 kilometres per hour, unless the towed vehicle is a semi-trailer; or

    g) if the towing vehicle is a motor cycle, motor tricycle, motor quadrucycle or pedal cycle.



    basically - if you are pulling a vehicle (NOT A TRAILER) all the weight limits don't apply, nor do you have need have brakes on the towed vehicle if it's on a solid bar (a frame)

    which is daft, but true.

    what you may not do is have passengers in the towed vehcile nor may you connect a trailer to the towed vehicle, nor may you A- Frame a vehicle behind a trailer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohanJvV View Post
    Land Rover Discovery V8 HSE - GCM = 6780kg
    Comination 2548+1750+700 = 4998 kg

    GCM LR - 6780 > 4998

    So I assume I am safe

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    looks that way, as long as the caravan is braked!

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    And just to add fuel to the debate...none of this even deals with the laws regarding weight on the towbar itself. I know for a fact that there are plenty people that are unaware of this. I know I was until Apocalype posted about that a while ago.

    I was waay over the limit...even before addressing the weight of the caravan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    looks that way, as long as the caravan is braked!
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    I see the main problem people have with this towing issue is the lack of understanding what the all the weight discriptions mean and how to do the calculation as the law requires. So I will endeaver to explain in laymens terms how it works, to start off with I will use from Zero Kg to 3500Kg which is the towing weight limit for the EB licence.
    By law there must be a data plate fitted to all vehicles and trailers ( some in the engine bay, front doors, Aframe etc ) where the weight data is displayed. What you are looking for is:
    Tare ( vehicle empty weight with a driver, spare wheel, some fuel and is used as the licencing mass )
    GVM ( gross vehicle mass ) the maximun mass the vehicle can weigh when loaded.
    GCM ( gross combination mass ) the maximun mass of the combination of the drawing vehicle + trailer/s all loaded.
    All the towing calculations can be done with these three weight groups
    Calc 1) Towing mass.
    Subtract the drawing vehicle's GVM from the drawing vehicle's GCM and you have the maximun weight you can tow in Kg.
    Calc 2) unbraked trailer.
    Look at the trailer GVM and check if it is less than half of the tow vehicle Tare mass,
    a) If it is less then you are fine.
    b) If it is more then the trailer requires a run in brake as a caravan has. See calc 3.
    Calc 3 ) braked trailer with run in brakes.
    a) When the GVM of the trailer is more than half the Tare mass of the drawing vehicle it will require a run in brake.
    BUT A big BUT
    The trailer GVM must not exceed the drawing vehicle tare mass, then you will require service brakes.
    Calc 4 ) trailer with service brakes.
    When the trailer GVM is more that the drawing vehicle's Tare mass you can still tow with the EB licence up till 3500Kg towed mass, but the trailer must have servic
    brakes. Which means a braking system that is operated from the brake foot pedal of the drawing vehicle.
    When the GVM is more than the tare you need to look at the GCM figure you got in Calc 1, max towing mass, the trailer GVM must not exceed this figure, then you are still legal.
    As for the tow bar imposed weight on the tow hitch, there is no mention in the law, I think these are found in the SABS manuals for the trailer manufactures of that class of trailer.
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