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    Default Road conditions - Khutse to Northern CKGR

    Can anybody give me an idea of what to expect when transferring from Khutse to the Northern areas of CKGR. What are the road conditions like (We will be towing) and are there any other place to overnight apart from Bape?

    Which is the preferred route, over Xade or rather north towards Matswere Gate?

    We are considering a trip next year, so many more questions to follow?

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    Hey Low Range...

    Expect very very thick sand, scraping bushes and slow going when towing... which is what we all like, I assume.

    The road trowards Matwere gate is terrible and not traveled at all. The sand is thicker than what you can imagine and if you get stuck there, help is a week away. It is not reccomended.

    The road over Xade is also very sandy, but traveled more and a lot easier. I would reccomend that one and also reccomend that you have some experience in heavy sand towing and recovery of your caravan.

    A lot of people get caught out by distances in the park. Do not plan to do more than 150km a day. Even that can take a full day. So I would reccomend staying one night at Babe and then at Xade. Or Khutse 16 to Xade at the absolute most and then you have tpo leave at sunrise. You do not want to reach camp after dark in this place. Thanks to our fellow travelers animals have learnt to come look for water at camp sites. This includes leopards and lions.

    Your stops between fuel, without game driving is about 900km and you can ad at least 25% on for thick sand driving. Water is aslo scarse and salty, so you need to take enough drinking water for you to last the trip. There is water at Xade usually. I can't remember if that is salty.

    If this scares you a little, it perfectly fine to enter the park at Rakops and Matswere gate and exploting the northern part of it. Deception valluy is astonishing and Sunday Pan no 2 is arguably one of the best camp sites in Africa.

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    Thanks Dawie, helps a lot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeflyd View Post
    Deception valluy is astonishing and Sunday Pan no 2 is arguably one of the best camp sites in Africa.

    Dawie, between my T4A, the T4A on Google Earth and the Shell Map, it is not very clear which camp at Sunday Pan is actually Nr. 2

    Is it the one at the borehole? Do you have the coordinates?

    I am trying to book it for our trip next year!


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    Johan,

    Sunday pan #2 is at: S21 19.898 E23 41.288.
    We used it in nov 2006 and loved it. It's on the slope of the sandridge allong side Sunday pan. The site has two large trees and overlooks Sunday pan.
    The picture was taken at sunset...
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    Thanks Kees. T4A indicates that site as nr. 4 though.

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    Johan, we travelled from Deseption down to Khutse in early May. Stopped at Xade and Bape. The sand was not heavy but probably due to the good rain they had mid April. We were all towing trailers and did not use 4x4. When its dry it will be different. I wont recommend this trip as you see nothing but bush (you dont even see signs/spoor of animals). It feels like riding a rocking horse for 8 hrs a day doing 100 to 130 km.

    But, that is why we do these trips. once!
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    Johan,

    I have the latest version of T4A, and Sunday #2 is on this cooridnate.
    #4 is at S21 17.538 E23 42.538.
    Nevertheless Sunday #2 is one of the best spots.

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    Kees, yes the numbers seem to be different on the latest version. Well, we are booked onto nr. 2 and looking forward to it.



    Chris, we are still considering either going to Khutse from there or North to Moremi. Being winter (and considering your feedback) it might be better to go North.

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    LowRange, we have just returned from the CKGR. We went Sunday pan, Passarge, Piper pan Xade, Bape then Khutse. We experienced thick sand at Xade and a few patches between Bape and Khutse. Although the sand is thick I did not use 4x4 at all. We were 3 vehicles and all 3 towed. No problem. I trust that you will enjoy it like we did.....Its just beautiful!

    You are welcome to mail me if you have any further questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalamazoo View Post
    LowRange, we have just returned from the CKGR. We went Sunday pan, Passarge, Piper pan Xade, Bape then Khutse. We experienced thick sand at Xade and a few patches between Bape and Khutse. Although the sand is thick I did not use 4x4 at all. We were 3 vehicles and all 3 towed. No problem. I trust that you will enjoy it like we did.....Its just beautiful!

    You are welcome to mail me if you have any further questions.

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    Thanks a lot! Did you sleep over at Bape? Seems to be a long drive from Xade to Khutse?

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    Hi, yes we slept over at all the camps I have mentioned. Xade to Khutse is long and this is where you will get thick sand patches. If you can sleep over at Bape (very nice camp). Please also try and stay away from Xade camp 1......its outside the gate and this is the only bad camp and scenery we had.

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    Hi Johan,
    Noticed your question on Sunday Pan sites. We were there in April and experienced a lot of confusion between the land marked sites and and the maps because they have made changes. This is what we found:

    The old CKS01 is now CKSUN02 (This is the one next to the pan - the first one as you come into Sunday pan)
    The old CKS02 is now CKSUN04 (On T4A it is campsite 3)
    The old CKS03 is now CKSUN03 (On T4A it is campsite 4)
    Leopard Pan is now CKSUN01

    They might have changed it again since April. We found that the best was to ask the game ranger who is responsible for the site markings - His name was Tefo.

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    Theo

    On the attached map, which one did they end up giving you as CKSUN02

    Johan

    (I just numbered them 1,2,3 and 4)
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    Johan,
    On the attached map Nr 1 was given to us as CKSUN 02. The campsite 2 on your map is not a campsite to them anymore. At least not a marked one.
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