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    Default Military boffins.

    Looking for identification. I think it's from WW2
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    Looks old, but don't be deceived, many new things can look old if it's not looked after properly.
    Depends on where you found it really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakcyb View Post
    Looks old, but don't be deceived, many new things can look old if it's not looked after properly.
    Depends on where you found it really.
    It is old, belonged to my Grandfather who was born in 1898.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred56 View Post
    Looking for identification. I think it's from WW2
    Contact James of https://www.samilitaria.com (my nieces husband)
    O eight three 6 eight 3 two 6 nine four.
    He has been dealing in these type of stuff for 50+ years.
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    Hello, my name is Bored, and I have little knowledge on the stuff.

    But these are my guesses on the 4x? ribbons in order left to right

    Victoria Queens South Africa Medal with Transvaal, South Africa 1901+
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen%...h_Africa_Medal
    https://www.davidduggleby.com/auctio...n.aspx?search=


    King's South Africa Medal 1902+
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%2...h_Africa_Medal


    War Medal 1939-45
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Me...9%E2%80%931945
    https://aberdeenmedals.com/shop.php?code=22261
    https://www.bobshop.co.za/gb-wwii-se...xoCHQEQAvD_BwE


    Africa Service Medal 1943+
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa_Service_Medal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred56 View Post
    Looking for identification. I think it's from WW2
    Those are medal ribbons, usually worn without the medals. So grandpa should have had the medals as well.

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    Something seems off to me.

    If he was born in 1898, he was way too old to have been called up for service in WW2. Which implies that he must have been a career soldier. But then he should probably have served in WW1 too, and that's way too fee medals for somebody who served in both wars?

    Just for reference, I served in the citizen force for just 10 years, starting after the end of the bush war, and I had a medal ribbon of similar length...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Connan View Post
    Something seems off to me.

    If he was born in 1898, he was way too old to have been called up for service in WW2. Which implies that he must have been a career soldier. But then he should probably have served in WW1 too, and that's way too fee medals for somebody who served in both wars?

    Just for reference, I served in the citizen force for just 10 years, starting after the end of the bush war, and I had a medal ribbon of similar length...
    He served throughout WW2. I have no idea of his rank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Connan View Post
    Something seems off to me.

    If he was born in 1898, he was way too old to have been called up for service in WW2. Which implies that he must have been a career soldier. But then he should probably have served in WW1 too, and that's way too fee medals for somebody who served in both wars?

    Just for reference, I served in the citizen force for just 10 years, starting after the end of the bush war, and I had a medal ribbon of similar length...
    Maybe there were more ribbons that got lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PsyPhin View Post
    Hello, my name is Bored, and I have little knowledge on the stuff.

    But these are my guesses on the 4x? ribbons in order left to right

    Victoria Queens South Africa Medal with Transvaal, South Africa 1901+
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen%...h_Africa_Medal
    https://www.davidduggleby.com/auctio...n.aspx?search=


    King's South Africa Medal 1902+
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%2...h_Africa_Medal


    War Medal 1939-45
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Me...9%E2%80%931945
    https://aberdeenmedals.com/shop.php?code=22261
    https://www.bobshop.co.za/gb-wwii-se...xoCHQEQAvD_BwE


    Africa Service Medal 1943+
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa_Service_Medal
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Connan View Post
    Something seems off to me.

    If he was born in 1898, he was way too old to have been called up for service in WW2. Which implies that he must have been a career soldier. But then he should probably have served in WW1 too, and that's way too fee medals for somebody who served in both wars?

    Just for reference, I served in the citizen force for just 10 years, starting after the end of the bush war, and I had a medal ribbon of similar length...
    I also dont understand the timelines, as the first 2 seem ~1902, but the 2nd 2 seems ~1943 WWII

    1+2
    https://www.bwm.org.au/medals.php

    3+4
    https://www.cultmancollectables.com/...roduct_id=4237

    Is it perhaps worn on behalf on a deceased relative?

    @OP, is it one ribbon, or maybe two as deceased relatives should be on opposite sides?
    No disrespect intended, just trying to work out your original question
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    Quote Originally Posted by PsyPhin View Post
    Is it perhaps worn on behalf on a deceased relative?

    @OP, is it one ribbon, or maybe two as deceased relatives should be on opposite sides?
    No disrespect intended, just trying to work out your original question
    I have no idea. I found this in a box of stuff that belonged to my Grandfather, I cannot ask my father as he to has passed on.

    It is one ribbon.

    My question was, put in simpler terms. What medals went with the ribbon as posted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred56 View Post
    I have no idea. I found this in a box of stuff that belonged to my Grandfather, I cannot ask my father as he to has passed on.

    It is one ribbon.

    My question was, put in simpler terms. What medals went with the ribbon as posted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred56 View Post
    I have no idea. I found this in a box of stuff that belonged to my Grandfather, I cannot ask my father as he to has passed on.

    It is one ribbon.

    My question was, put in simpler terms. What medals went with the ribbon as posted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred56 View Post
    I have no idea. I found this in a box of stuff that belonged to my Grandfather, I cannot ask my father as he to has passed on.

    It is one ribbon.

    My question was, put in simpler terms. What medals went with the ribbon as posted?
    My "great uncle" used to tell me about and explain his medals and ribbons to me as a young kid. I didn't get it then and just thought it was boring, except for one or two stories. I understand better now.

    PsyPhin is pretty on point as far as the facts go, but there is a lot more to the stories behind those ribbons.

    I would suggest a visit to your local MOTH group and I'm sure you'll find some folk there who will be delighted to share their insights on the ribbon.
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    You can use these as a reference for WWII North African and Italian campaign medals.
    They are my grandfather's medals.

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    Sorry. They are upside down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfh View Post
    You can use these as a reference for WWII North African and Italian campaign medals.
    They are my grandfather's medals.

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    Sorry. They are upside down.
    I flipped it for myself to compare notes. Might as well upload.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PsyPhin View Post
    I flipped it for myself to compare notes. Might as well upload.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred56 View Post
    Looking for identification. I think it's from WW2
    The military museum in Johannesburg will help. Also phone Transvaal Scottish headquarters, I had good support from them with queries in history related to Boer War and WW 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred56 View Post
    Maybe there were more ribbons that got lost.
    I don't know if it's changed over the years, but currently ribbons are mounted on a bar with a maximum width of 5 ribbons.
    Thus, if you have less than 5 ribbons, your bar is made the correct length to fully display the ribbons you have. Once you exceed 5, extra bars are added.

    The ribbons also have a strict order of presentation.

    The above and the statuses of the ribbons already identified makes me think this is unlikely.
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