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    Cool Hinn hinn pappie!

    Howsit gents,

    I am from Pretoria, looking to get into a bit of overlanding.

    I've been big into racing offroad motorcycles for most of my life. Had a tough head injury a few years ago that moved me over to road & adventure bikes. Currently riding a Multistrada V4 and KTM 950 for the more gnarly stuff.

    My dad was recently in a massive bike accident. He is currently still recovering in hospital after 2 months in ICU. I believe our naive eyes have been opened to the risks we take... I just can't see myself putting my family through that, never mind putting the SO on the back. So we decided to stop the bike touring and turn our attention to the world overlanding and/or 4x4ing.

    Will be posting and harassing fellow members in the other forum sections.

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    Welcome! Which four wheel monster are you considering?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Howsit gents,

    I am from Pretoria, looking to get into a bit of overlanding.

    I've been big into racing offroad motorcycles for most of my life. Had a tough head injury a few years ago that moved me over to road & adventure bikes. Currently riding a Multistrada V4 and KTM 950 for the more gnarly stuff.

    My dad was recently in a massive bike accident. He is currently still recovering in hospital after 2 months in ICU. I believe our naive eyes have been opened to the risks we take... I just can't see myself putting my family through that, never mind putting the SO on the back. So we decided to stop the bike touring and turn our attention to the world overlanding and/or 4x4ing.

    Will be posting and harassing fellow members in the other forum sections.

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeepiscool View Post
    Welcome! Which four wheel monster are you considering?
    Thanks man!

    Quite a variety at the moment to be fair. Still figuring out exactly what I want to do. Overlanding, 4x4 ing, driving to camp terrains... All seem to have quite different requirements from a vehicle.

    - Hilux/Fortuner: Don't want them stolen, so veering away.
    - FJ Cruiser: Too small for long term ownership? Boot space? Kids when they come.
    - Prado: Too soft? Limited upgrade path?
    - 4 dr Rubicon: Reliability? Cost of ownership?
    - Touareg: My dad owns one. Fantastic vehicle, but not sure about servicing costs and the softness of the car.
    - Amarok: V6 too expensive. 2l bi-turbo enoug oomph?
    - Isuzu bakkie: Do I want a bakkie? 2.5 enough oomph? Upgrade path if I want to do more 4x4ing.

    As you see, I still have a ton of reading and research to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Thanks man!

    Quite a variety at the moment to be fair. Still figuring out exactly what I want to do. Overlanding, 4x4 ing, driving to camp terrains... All seem to have quite different requirements from a vehicle.

    - Hilux/Fortuner: Don't want them stolen, so veering away.
    - FJ Cruiser: Too small for long term ownership? Boot space? Kids when they come.
    - Prado: Too soft? Limited upgrade path?
    - 4 dr Rubicon: Reliability? Cost of ownership?
    - Touareg: My dad owns one. Fantastic vehicle, but not sure about servicing costs and the softness of the car.
    - Amarok: V6 too expensive. 2l bi-turbo enoug oomph?
    - Isuzu bakkie: Do I want a bakkie? 2.5 enough oomph? Upgrade path if I want to do more 4x4ing.

    As you see, I still have a ton of reading and research to do.
    Is your concerns about the Jeep based on facts or anecdotal stories?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainier Vermaak View Post
    Is your concerns about the Jeep based on facts or anecdotal stories?
    They are questions and concerns I have for everything I am considering. I am still looking for more concise information regarding reliability and cost of ownership on the 3.8l here in South Africa. However, I have a few accounts from previous owners who have moved to other brands that mention the Jeeps were their most expensive vehicles to own. So a bit of a question mark for me at this point in my search.

    I am open to almost anything. Still prodding, reading and learning... Enjoying the process as I go along.

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    Welcome!

    you will find all roads initially lead to a second hand Pajero with Super Select.

    But like you say, go through the process its the fun part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    ....world overlanding and/or 4x4ing..
    Even before you get to vehicle choices, the bold are discussions all by themselves.

    How do you define 'overlanding' for yourself? There are hundreds of opinions on this, there has been very long threads about it.

    How you define each, will make your vehicle choice clear.

    You may also want to rethink your pre-conceived notions of some of the vehicles on your list.

    Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lekhubu943 View Post
    Even before you get to vehicle choices, the bold are discussions all by themselves.

    How do you define 'overlanding' for yourself? There are hundreds of opinions on this, there has been very long threads about it.

    How you define each, will make your vehicle choice clear.

    You may also want to rethink your pre-conceived notions of some of the vehicles on your list.

    Good luck.
    I agree 100%. I mentioned earlier that I still have to figure out exactly what I (we) want to do. Once that is figured out I can narrow down my vehicle search.

    At the moment I am romanticising each option and enjoying the journey.

    Which vehicles are you referring to specifically? I just thought out loud as I typed the small list from memory. From what I've heard in the field, seen, read, saw on YT videos etc etc. Not too hardup or serious about my opinions, I've never owned a 4bie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    ...Which vehicles are you referring to specifically? ...
    I can only speak for Hilux, Fortuner and Prado's.

    Not all Hiluxes and Fortuners get stolen. My Hilux was, Fortuner not.

    Prado's are not 'too' soft for the general, standard, gravel road and sand track touring in Namibia, Botswana, Mozambique which most people does.

    But that is not hardcore overlanding. If that is what you are looking at then I would not consider any of the choices on your list.

    My first Prado did around 50 000 km across border with a caravan in tow and some really hardcore tracks in Zambia. It was standard except aftermarket shocks, all terrain tyres and rear airbags to level the caravan a bit. They are very comfortable vehicles and we did quite a few 10 - 11 hour driving stints in the Prado.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Thanks man!

    Quite a variety at the moment to be fair. Still figuring out exactly what I want to do. Overlanding, 4x4 ing, driving to camp terrains... All seem to have quite different requirements from a vehicle.

    - Hilux/Fortuner: Don't want them stolen, so veering away.
    - FJ Cruiser: Too small for long term ownership? Boot space? Kids when they come.
    - Prado: Too soft? Limited upgrade path?
    - 4 dr Rubicon: Reliability? Cost of ownership?
    - Touareg: My dad owns one. Fantastic vehicle, but not sure about servicing costs and the softness of the car.
    - Amarok: V6 too expensive. 2l bi-turbo enoug oomph?
    - Isuzu bakkie: Do I want a bakkie? 2.5 enough oomph? Upgrade path if I want to do more 4x4ing.

    As you see, I still have a ton of reading and research to do.
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    Talk to the grey heads and figure what will row your boat. (And the boats of the family!!)
    Doing it in a vehicle instead of on a bike can suddenly become a family outing. (Different ball game.)
    Your biggest achievement will be when you can properly involve and entertain them. If they do not enjoy it as much as you do, the kite is not going to fly.
    If you want to do 4x4 trails, bum a ride locally. It can become boring for the family rather quickly.
    If it is real overlanding that interests you, go on a course.
    You can also do overlanding long after retirement.
    You can visit weird and wonderfull places, add nature, adventure, photography etc to the package.
    Most of all, develop the urge into something the whole family can enjoy with you. (Including dad?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Thanks man!

    Quite a variety at the moment to be fair. Still figuring out exactly what I want to do. Overlanding, 4x4 ing, driving to camp terrains... All seem to have quite different requirements from a vehicle.

    - Hilux/Fortuner: Don't want them stolen, so veering away.
    - FJ Cruiser: Too small for long term ownership? Boot space? Kids when they come.
    - Prado: Too soft? Limited upgrade path?
    - 4 dr Rubicon: Reliability? Cost of ownership?
    - Touareg: My dad owns one. Fantastic vehicle, but not sure about servicing costs and the softness of the car.
    - Amarok: V6 too expensive. 2l bi-turbo enoug oomph?
    - Isuzu bakkie: Do I want a bakkie? 2.5 enough oomph? Upgrade path if I want to do more 4x4ing.

    As you see, I still have a ton of reading and research to do.
    There are extensive upgrades for every decent 4x4 sold here in SA. So don't stress to much about that.

    Focus on getting the car first and before you start throwing money at it for upgrades, take it out for a trip as is. See what you need as you use the vehicle and build it up over time to fulfill your needs. You'll be surprised by how little you actually need to get started. A standard 4x4 with decent all terrain tires and basic camping equipment is all you really need, and for some, all you'll ever need.

    You'll be happy with just about any 4x4 you choose. They're all capable and they all have their pro's and cons. Your main obstacle is going to be your budget. Next will be what your personal preferences are, comfort or utility, is it going to be a daily driver or not, new or used, double cab or SUV etc.


    To get a feel for what's out there go to cars.co.za, auto trader, webuycars and use the search filters.

    Set a budget, use the search filters, see what 4x4s fall in that budget, make a list of the ones you like and research them. Look at things like:

    - fuel economy
    - towing capacity
    - common issues with x vehicle
    - maintenance costs
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    Welcome to the forum Herco.
    A friend of mine is also in hospital after a bike prang. Since Easter... Hope your dad makes a speedy and full recovery.

    I would think that somebody who used to enjoy motorcross would perhaps find trail riding more interesting than touring?

    I have no idea where snorcity is, but perhaps the next time there is a forum trail event in your area you can tag along as a passenger? There are usually guys who go alone and won't mind a passenger.
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    Thanks for all the inputs gents and ladies!

    Been having discussions on and off with the SO, and showing her some videos of the different options we have; wild camping, touring, trail riding, etc...

    We are definitely leaning towards touring, considering all the places we plan to see and visit over the next few years...

    The KMs add up quick, ruling out 'larger' rigs like the series 105 or even the FJ...

    Strongly considering a gen2 Touareg at the moment. My dad owns one and we've enjoyed the car, but we have never put in any real remote location.

    As for amenities, I believe a roof top tent and fridge to be the big expenses out the door. The rest we will figure out as we're out in the bush.

    The forum has been an invaluable resource for information and personal experiences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Thanks for all the inputs gents and ladies!

    Been having discussions on and off with the SO, and showing her some videos of the different options we have; wild camping, touring, trail riding, etc...

    We are definitely leaning towards touring, considering all the places we plan to see and visit over the next few years...

    The KMs add up quick, ruling out 'larger' rigs like the series 105 or even the FJ...

    Strongly considering a gen2 Touareg at the moment. My dad owns one and we've enjoyed the car, but we have never put in any real remote location.

    As for amenities, I believe a roof top tent and fridge to be the big expenses out the door. The rest we will figure out as we're out in the bush.

    The forum has been an invaluable resource for information and personal experiences.

    Do not fall for all the sales talk on accesories. The only one you really need is the charging system and at least 75Ah available from a battery. Careful about charging systems, most are overpriced and not well designed, meaning it will not do what you think. Read up about pros and cons of ground tent and RT. Ego buying can be expensive. I do not sell any of these but will give you opinions from 30 years plus. I also do courses for start-ups. Planning your own trip to Botswana, bush mechanic etc.

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    Hope your dad get well soon.

    So far I try stay on the bike. Harley for town and 1250GS for offroad. Looking at a new scrambler, but leaning to trails biking, trying to do safer trips.

    The 4x4s are nice. Its a new life
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    Touareg wil keep you happy for a long time.

    Contact Stephan on WhatsApp on 0sixone five 07 six 017, he is the go to Indy on Touaregs in Gauteng, and can let you know what to look out for.

    I have done trails ( not really my thing), Botswana etc with mine, towing a caravan or not, with no hassles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Strongly considering a gen2 Touareg at the moment. My dad owns one and we've enjoyed the car, but we have never put in any real remote location..
    Having owned a Touareg, and have a son that also owned 1, the boot space is very small on a Touareg because of the sloping roofline... After fitting a fridge/freezer, not much space left.... Something to keep in mind.
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    Thanks for all the additional inputs gents.

    We've made the decision last night that we will probably do tent camping until we have a real need for a RTT. After some searching I found quite a few very decent tents that can be put up and taken down just as quick, if not quicker, than the average RTT.

    The space is a bit of a concern in the Touareg. Although it is one of the few vehicles that match our needs for comfort and power, and budget. In a few years the kids will come, but I guess we can sort that out when we get there. At the moment she must fit all our camping gear, clothes and food... Worst case is to tow along the old Venter for longer trips.

    There's so many options, all with their own pros and cons... I just don't want to end up in a analysis paralysis instead of actually going out and doing the thing. Touareg feels like a nice softroader with everything we require onboard, so if our needs outgrow the car it will be easy to sell again.

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