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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by BruceHun View Post
    The engines are not 'assembled' in Pta factory....they are crated imports.
    You sure? I thought they are manufactured in Port Elizabeth.
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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by pepekleinhans View Post
    Well, I have the Discovery 4 with the same engine in, 250 000km still going strong, so not sure why everybody complains about these engines, I bought mine with 150 000km on, and not miss a beat yet. I am happy, and I am looking now at buying the wildtrack with the same engine. I believe the Yanks has improved a lot on the engine, maybe it is the ouks in Pretoria that assemble these engines that F#ck it up.
    My ex-disco with 269K and 6 month interval services will disagree, as will as my mates with 320k. Actually, our little ex group of Disco owners are 4 for 6 on the cranks. Yip only 2 of us made it so far.
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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    You sure? I thought they are manufactured in Port Elizabeth.
    Yes, imported from PE
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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by pepekleinhans View Post
    Well, I have the Discovery 4 with the same engine in, 250 000km still going strong, so not sure why everybody complains about these engines, I bought mine with 150 000km on, and not miss a beat yet. I am happy, and I am looking now at buying the wildtrack with the same engine. I believe the Yanks has improved a lot on the engine, maybe it is the ouks in Pretoria that assemble these engines that F#ck it up.
    Hilarious, even if that is the reason for the issues that doesn't remove the fact that the issue happens. Are you suggesting you rebuild a brand new engine (correctly this time) to eliminate the problem?


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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by Beurvoort View Post
    I was going to reply the same. The LION V6 in the F150 series was actually regarded as a failure in the US market.

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    To be honest, any Diesel engine below 6.0 litres in the US could be considered a failure.

    They just don't like diesel engines, and when you look at the performance they get out of the Turbo Petrol engines they have installed in their F150s I would also prefer the petrol, if the fuel was that cheap over here.

    Those Petrol F150 are rockets.
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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by Beurvoort View Post
    So..... a good customer and friend in a big Eastern Freestate town sent me a whatsapp last night. His Amafordrok left him stranded yesterday about 280 km from home. The LION V6 had a major mechanical failure on the right bank timing pulley. Engine FUBAR (needs to be replaced according to Ford). Vehicle on 30 000 km. Needles to say he is not impressed. I asked him one question, do you miss your old V6 (the original one with VW DNA)? He replied with a huge thumbs up. It turns out this is not an isolated incident. Apparently the third one in SA. The other two were Ford Rangers. Apparently also failures on the right bank. Ja swaer.......

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    A good friend of min had one of the 3 that failed like this, same issue as you describe (25000 km).
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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by pepekleinhans View Post
    Well, I have the Discovery 4 with the same engine in, 250 000km still going strong, so not sure why everybody complains about these engines, I bought mine with 150 000km on, and not miss a beat yet. I am happy, and I am looking now at buying the wildtrack with the same engine. I believe the Yanks has improved a lot on the engine, maybe it is the ouks in Pretoria that assemble these engines that F#ck it up.
    This engine is completely built in PE or some other coastal town in SAI think.

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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Just to put it to bed, from Ford website:

    South Africa - Struandale Engine Plant
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    Employment
    Approximate current total employees: 850
    The Struandale Engine Plant has significantly upgraded and expanded its machining and assembly capabilities for this programme, and now has an annual production capacity of 280,000 machined component kits, comprised of engine heads, blocks and crankshafts


    Production History
    Current products: 3.0L V6 turbodiesel engine, 2.0 Bi-Turbo and Single Turbo diesel engines; 2.2 and 3.2 Duratorq TDCi engines and machined components: cylinder heads, blocks and crankshafts
    Year opened: 1964
    Site size in acres: 60

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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by Coenoes View Post
    I don't want to point fingers at ford/amarok because I don't know what I am talking about. But I bought one of the last real amarok v6 bakkies and I drive around without any worries.

    When would you say the last real ones were produced (honest question) ?

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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by 2.Styf View Post
    When would you say the last real ones were produced (honest question) ?
    Around 2022.

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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by 2.Styf View Post
    When would you say the last real ones were produced (honest question) ?
    Well, they were still sold deep into 2023 new, and are still manufactured in Argentina. If I am not mistaken all Amarok`s imported into RSA since 2020 were manufactured in Argentina, including the V6. My 2020 was manufactured in Argentina.

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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

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    Great thanks !

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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by Beurvoort View Post
    Well, they were still sold deep into 2023 new, and are still manufactured in Argentina. If I am not mistaken all Amarok`s imported into RSA since 2020 were manufactured in Argentina, including the V6. My 2020 was manufactured in Argentina.

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    Koos just a question how do you determine where yours was built? Germany or Argentinia?

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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by The TRANSPORTER View Post
    Koos just a question how do you determine where yours was built? Germany or Argentinia?

    On engine code DDX or ?
    11th letter of your VIN number is the manufacturing plant.

    A = Argentina
    H = Hanover (Germany)

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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ha-Ka View Post
    Car manufacturers should really only appoint the "famous experts" from this forum...
    They really should, it is called market research....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Langsaam View Post
    11th letter of your VIN number is the manufacturing plant.

    A = Argentina
    H = Hanover (Germany)
    Thanks mine Argentina..
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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by Beurvoort View Post
    So..... a good customer and friend in a big Eastern Freestate town sent me a whatsapp last night. His Amafordrok left him stranded yesterday about 280 km from home. The LION V6 had a major mechanical failure on the right bank timing pulley. Engine FUBAR (needs to be replaced according to Ford). Vehicle on 30 000 km. Needles to say he is not impressed. I asked him one question, do you miss your old V6 (the original one with VW DNA)? He replied with a huge thumbs up. It turns out this is not an isolated incident. Apparently the third one in SA. The other two were Ford Rangers. Apparently also failures on the right bank. Ja swaer.......

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    Look what was towed in today. Disco 5 with a snapped cam pulley, if this design flaw was carried over to the rangers I'm sure we'll see some crankiness from them as well
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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by JeandreDiedericks View Post
    Look what was towed in today. Disco 5 with a snapped cam pulley, if this design flaw was carried over to the rangers I'm sure we'll see some crankiness from them as well
    That`s one way to upgrade to variable valve timing

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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Should I look at the BiTdi rather?
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