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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by JacoE View Post
    Not sure about this part, I personally know of another VW with less than 20,000km in MP.
    They are all Fords.
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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by Henkus View Post
    Millions of those went into F150s in the States and have proven to be reliable.
    No, They didn't. Looks like barely 30000 that sold. Was only available for 3 years. And was cancelled in '21 due to too low demand.

    Heck, The Diesel Transit Van, That was also cancelled due to too low demand actually outsold the F150 . . . .

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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by JacoE View Post
    Not sure about this part, I personally know of another VW with less than 20,000km in MP.
    Same same.


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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Not the same engine but the Ford engines in the LR Puma gave me all my hell. Had 2 both overheated. We farm out of tupperware now.
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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by Commander View Post
    Same same.
    I know, just meant the one with the vw badge, did'nt want to step on the vw guys' toes.
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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by Andre N View Post
    No, They didn't. Looks like barely 30000 that sold. Was only available for 3 years. And was cancelled in '21 due to too low demand.

    Heck, The Diesel Transit Van, That was also cancelled due to too low demand actually outsold the F150 . . . .

    Yes as i have it the 3.0 Powerstroke engine was used in the F150's and was cancelled due to the most customers preferred the 3.0 V6 Ecoboost petrol engine above the diesel.
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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    I have read about and followed the the Ford decision to use the LION engine in the Ranger. The upgrades done on the crank and bottom end. They did some testing on the engine in the States and Ford were satisfied with the results. Looking back it seems that their test criteria might not be up to the standard of other manufacturers.

    Now back to Volkswagen. Easy to point fingers to Ford and say that the Ford engine is not reliable. Surely from their side Volkswagen must have do some testing on the V6 LION engine before deciding it were fit for use in their products. I cannot believe that the decided blindly just to stick a VW badge on a Ranger.

    Not nice reading these things about Ford engines as I were a huge Ford supporter at some stage. The Ford vehicles I have owned and still owns served me well.
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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by JacoE View Post
    Not sure about this part, I personally know of another VW with less than 20,000km in MP.
    Well, this was the feedback given to my friend by FOMOCO. I can imagine that they may be tempted to "massage" the numbers to prevent buyers remorse and future lost sales...

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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by Andre N View Post
    No, They didn't. Looks like barely 30000 that sold. Was only available for 3 years. And was cancelled in '21 due to too low demand.

    Heck, The Diesel Transit Van, That was also cancelled due to too low demand actually outsold the F150 . . . .
    I was going to reply the same. The LION V6 in the F150 series was actually regarded as a failure in the US market.

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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    I have read about and followed the the Ford decision to use the LION engine in the Ranger. The upgrades done on the crank and bottom end. They did some testing on the engine in the States and Ford were satisfied with the results. Looking back it seems that their test criteria might not be up to the standard of other manufacturers.

    Now back to Volkswagen. Easy to point fingers to Ford and say that the Ford engine is not reliable. Surely from their side Volkswagen must have do some testing on the V6 LION engine before deciding it were fit for use in their products. I cannot believe that the decided blindly just to stick a VW badge on a Ranger.

    Not nice reading these things about Ford engines as I were a huge Ford supporter at some stage. The Ford vehicles I have owned and still owns served me well.
    Grips, the way I read it VW did not want to spend money on the R&D for a new Amarok. This was exactly the reason they went with the so called "combined" development. In reality all the testing was done by Ford and VW trusted them to do it. The few VW engineers was only involved in the aesthetics as far as I know. In my opinion it is a poor effort in badge engineering. The quality control at Ford was an issue, and seems to be still the case. The local VW techies see the new Amarok as a 100% Ford product and treat it accordingly. When things goes wrong they blame Ford, rightly or wrongly.

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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    I have read about and followed the the Ford decision to use the LION engine in the Ranger. The upgrades done on the crank and bottom end. They did some testing on the engine in the States and Ford were satisfied with the results. Looking back it seems that their test criteria might not be up to the standard of other manufacturers.

    Now back to Volkswagen. Easy to point fingers to Ford and say that the Ford engine is not reliable. Surely from their side Volkswagen must have do some testing on the V6 LION engine before deciding it were fit for use in their products. I cannot believe that the decided blindly just to stick a VW badge on a Ranger.

    Not nice reading these things about Ford engines as I were a huge Ford supporter at some stage. The Ford vehicles I have owned and still owns served me well.
    Grips, as far as I know, VW had zero input regarding to the design and layout of the Amarok. They got give a chassis, engine, gearbox and electronics.

    They did have some input on the production line and quality controls at the factory. They also could design the interior and exterior look, so as to conform to other VW products.

    They were basically handed a product,and had to accept it.

    Edit: Never mind, I see Beurvoort basically said the same.
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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Whatever, surely VW still had to or should have had an assessment of the quality etc of the product at hand to decide to go with Ford. And clearly they must have been happy. Or maybe it was a case again of the bean counters overruling the engineers!
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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    All I can say is EINA EINA, obviously no "Lion" in those engines but factory cats.

    Sticking with my GEN1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    I have read about and followed the the Ford decision to use the LION engine in the Ranger. The upgrades done on the crank and bottom end. They did some testing on the engine in the States and Ford were satisfied with the results. Looking back it seems that their test criteria might not be up to the standard of other manufacturers.

    Now back to Volkswagen. Easy to point fingers to Ford and say that the Ford engine is not reliable. Surely from their side Volkswagen must have do some testing on the V6 LION engine before deciding it were fit for use in their products. I cannot believe that the decided blindly just to stick a VW badge on a Ranger.

    Not nice reading these things about Ford engines as I were a huge Ford supporter at some stage. The Ford vehicles I have owned and still owns served me well.
    The 2.2, 3.2, and the Lion engines aren't Ford's greatest moments.

    That being said, I'm on my third company 2.2 Ranger, with the current one over 180,000km without missing a beat, and it works and tows hard, 3tons and more on a regular basis. We have a couple, and they all work hard. The one 3.2 just received it's first new turbo at 410k km. The 2.2's other than mine all over 300k, we haven't lost an engine yet.

    I however do not have my head in the sand, and would never recommend either the 3.2 or 2.2 to anyone, or buy it for myself. I just cannot afford to foot the bill of an catastrophic failure, and there are no guarantees.

    The 2Ltr milk bottle, single and biturbo from Ford, with the various gearbox configurations seems to have proven itself in the T6, and I don't see/hear of any issues on the next Gen either, and will happily buy one of them.

    It seems the 2Ltr in any configuration is the way to go with the current Ranger and Amarok range.

    The verdict is still out on the new upgraded Lion engine, but it is not starting well it seems.
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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    [QUOTE=nieljooste;5235363]It seems the 2Ltr in any configuration is the way to go with the current Ranger and Amarok range./QUOTE]

    For the same reasons I won`t touch a new generation Ford vehicle with a diesel engine I won`t touch a 2.0l Amarok or Kombi (We did own a 2.0l Kombi some time back). I know there are 2.0l VW engines that gave excellent service with very high milage. The other side of the coin is that I know quite a few people that had very expensive failures on them.

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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    VW have just increased their warranty to 5 years/160 000km's....and a full MP and not the easy MP. I don't know what the difference is.

    I am sitting with a quote for the 2.0 and 3.0.....mmmmm. The 3.0 just feels soooo good.
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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Eish.

    Family friend bought a an Everest Platinum V6 and an Amarok Style V6 in 2023.

    This does not bode well.
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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by BruceHun View Post
    VW have just increased their warranty to 5 years/160 000km's....and a full MP and not the easy MP. I don't know what the difference is.

    I am sitting with a quote for the 2.0 and 3.0.....mmmmm. The 3.0 just feels soooo good.
    That sounds good.

    If you are prepared / willing to possible suffer breakdowns and the discomfort of not having your car, then go for it.

    The only possible negative would be lower resale value down the line due to bad reputation wrt reliability.
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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Some wise man once said never to buy a genesis brand new model in its first year of production.

    Second and third year model run is always better as any design manufacture niggles would have been corrected by then.

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    Default Re: Ford LION V6 disappoints...again (not the crank this time)

    Quote Originally Posted by BruceHun View Post
    VW have just increased their warranty to 5 years/160 000km's....and a full MP and not the easy MP. I don't know what the difference is.

    I am sitting with a quote for the 2.0 and 3.0.....mmmmm. The 3.0 just feels soooo good.
    All I will say is donít. Rather get the previous version V6
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