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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    I am not a seasoned over lander by far.

    Agreed, You will probably not use it every month.

    But, wait till you properly bogged or suddenly drive into a hidden ditch and 2 wheels dangling on the air. You will realize that proper preparation favors you.
    No Maxtrack or any track will get you out of that.
    Edward Bath stalled and drowned his LC 200 in Botswana in a water crossing which was not deep at all.. The vehicle got stuck in a hole and switched off mid crossing and all that got him out was a winch as he was towing as well. Needless to say it was an expensive repair exercise.
    Learn from these guys.

    I never thought I would need a high lift Jack, But now its all I use.
    I have a winch, yes I use it. To recover myself and others that may need help. Its what we do as 4x4ers/Overlanders.

    Is a winch a waste of money, NO.
    The only considerations I would make is to see if you can mount it behind your current bumper. If yes, then a set of coil spacers is sufficient.
    If you cannot mount it behind the bumper due to the mount tray, then the latter is your option.
    Unless you don't care about cost and would like some extra front end protection, Then fit an after market bumper. At this point, then upgraded coils will be a must.

    Good luck and safe travels.
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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    I have never had to use a winch to get unstuck, but that is probably more a reflection of where I go and what I do than anything else. I have used it a lot to re-trailer a boat off the beach though. My first was an hydraulic winch on a Series 2 Land Rover and that one I never used for anything. Then in 1998 I fitted a Warn 8000i onto a loose plate that could slot into the towbar (front and back) on a 90 Series Prado. This allowed me to leave it at home when I didn't need it, and I built a carrier for it on my boat trailer. This loose plate arrangement had two advantages-the first was that I did not have to carry it around all of the time or upgrade my suspension. The second was that I could hook it up on either end of the vehicle-back or front. On subsequent vehicles (Discos, Land Cruiser70 and Prado) I have always put on a front towbar for trailer handling, and although I still have it, I have never actually used my winch. If you go to places that will require a winch, take one with you!

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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    If you are unsure if you need a winch then obviously you don't need one.
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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary-Bots View Post
    Has anyone ever used a high-lift jack as a winch? .... Also takes a hell of a long time to go anywhere!!!
    We have probably done close to 100,000km overlanding through Africa (65,000km of that in one two-year trip) and have never needed a winch (and have never, ever felt inhibited in our travels because of not having one).
    Partly that's because we avoid getting into pooh in the first place, but also because when we have dropped ourselves in the sticky stuff, we have made a plan with our Hi-lift jack, and we also have a mini version of a Tirfor hand winch called (I kid you not) a Little Mule Wire Puller.
    You don't have to winch the Hi-lift very far in most situations - just a couple of inches to break the grip of the mud (and it is almost always mud that is the issue - sand you can dig yourself out of). On the rare occasion we have needed it, we used standard tow straps.
    The Little Mule can be attached just about anywhere - we used it in Ethiopia to help an overland truck remove their engine block, hung it from a tree. And it's useful for moving immobilised vehicles when there isn't enough muscle power around.
    Remember that a winch is useless without an anchor to which you can attach it - you'll read all sorts of McGyver solutions like burying a spare wheel in the sand and using that as an anchor, or carrying a Danforth yacht anchor... by the time you've done all that (and probably damaged your spare tyre rim beyond repair) you could have dug your vehicle out of the sand.
    A spade is still the best recovery tool (although 10 locals shoving together are also useful).
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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Tony I agree with what you say. With Overlanding the need for a winch is limited. However if you push the limits of 4x4 it becomes essential.

    I Can quickly think of quite a few occasions were recovery without a winch would have almost be impossible. Like the time we did Road to Hell. Would have been impossible to recover a Fortuner with a broken front CV over the steps and up the rest of the pass.

    Also the time a person rolled a Prado coming down a steep dune. Many more to mention but a winch is a proper tool when needed.
    It is like a steel lathe in your workshop. You make all sorts of plans without it. Once you own one you cannot think how you managed without one.
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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Connan View Post
    I have, a couple of times.
    It is a lot of work sure enough. But less work than walking home.

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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Another option is a Tirfor type hand winch with 2500kg pulling capacity and a Pull Pal ground anchor which digs itself in further with the more tension you pull on it.
    This way you don't have the permanent heavy weight of a winch on your front bumper and just pack these two items when you are travelling somewhere with a serious chance of getting stuck.
    I have both of these items for sale. Both hardly used and these is a new cable for the Tirfor.
    Contact [email protected] for more details.

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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by EliStone View Post
    3 recoveries in one week. Prado was in a bad situation. High tide coming in Click image for larger version. 

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    Just one question: what where their tire pressures?
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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Connan View Post
    Just one question: what where their tire pressures?
    Viagra couldn't get them harder.

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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by EliStone View Post
    Viagra couldn't get them harder.
    So in essence if they had deflated they probably could have driven out?


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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Commander View Post
    So in essence if they had deflated they probably could have driven out?
    My point exactly.
    Deflating is a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a winch...

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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Connan View Post
    My point exactly.
    Deflating is a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a winch...

    A winch is so much cooler though.
    Deflating is lame, and reinflation is even more so.
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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by PsyPhin View Post
    A winch is so much cooler though.
    Deflating is lame, and reinflation is even more so.
    That is certainly true! The maintenance to keep it running may just outweigh the cool in due course.


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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    One thing you need to consider on replacement bumpers is that if you hit a pedestrian or cyclist, you are in big trouble. I had a woman run between cars that were in the turning lane and into my driving lane. My quick reactions and the soft plastic bumper on my Hilux saved her from serious injury. She had some grazes and bruises was unharmed. I donít want to kill someone just because they have poor judgement and run across the road.

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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by nhoro View Post
    One thing you need to consider on replacement bumpers is that if you hit a pedestrian or cyclist, you are in big trouble.
    No, not necessarily.
    Obviously almost none of us want death on our hands, but hitting a pedestrian isn't automatically the driver of the vehicle's fault. And I suspect the "speed window" where a steel bumper is more dangerous to a pedestrian than a plastic one must be fairly narrow.
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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Commander View Post
    So in essence if they had deflated they probably could have driven out?
    One of them yes. The other 2 was on their bellies.

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