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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    My thoughts...

    The most effective winch is one on another vehicle. My trol had a non-functional winch when I acquired it. I stripped and rebuilt it and got it working again and I service it regularly.

    I've used it in anger a few times - recovered the owl rescue centre's landy from the Crocodile river, and also used it to straighten a Toyota SFA Hilux' steering arm so that the folk could get home. I've never used it to recover myself.

    They remain useful though. My old man got stuck on river trip once. I was the vehicle in front of him. We used the winch to raise his front diff clear of the rock he had perched his truck on and I pulled him out with a normal strap.

    Last year, during our Namaqua tour, when he was not focusing on the road he bogged down fantastically in an estuary (he was eating a chocolate and not paying into the road and he was bounced into the marsh). The second member of the convoy (I was first) was new to "convoy rules" and had not been keeping an eye on the vehicle behind him as he should have done, so we only realised later that the old man was missing. He'd tried winching himself out, but had only succeeded in dragging himself further into the mud. I ended up having to snatch him out backwards - in the opposite direction to the way he was travelling when he got stuck.

    In short, I am sort of ambivalent about them. I am lucky in terms of the fact that I have one. Sort of like the hi-lift jack I grudgingly drag around with me (you can use them to winch as well, by the way). Nice to have, but I personally think a winch mounted at the back is probably more effective than a winch mounted on the front for "self recovery"...
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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by NTRyan View Post
    You will put unnecessary strain on other vehicle components after adding that much weight and not upgrading the suspension.
    I think this is a myth perpetuated by suppliers and too often repeated.

    IF, but only if the additional weight causes the suspension to bottom out will an upgraded suspension reduce strain on vehicle components.

    Additional weight (from whatever source it may come) will introduce strain on vehicle components. But if it has been decided that the weight is necessary, nothing can be done to reduce that.
    Increasing the frequency of the suspension (which is what stiffer springs do) will slightly increase the magnitude of the loads componentry is subjected to and will actually thus lead to some reduction of component life.
    However the much higher loads transferred if the suspension bottoms out is much more likely to cause damage.

    Personally I would only compensate for loads with suspension changes if the ride height is unacceptably compromised or if the suspension starts bottoming out.
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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Connan View Post
    A question:
    Were you winched out forwards or backwards.

    My experience with clay is that the stuff typically lasts for very long stretches, and winching out forwards is usually not an option.
    Forwards. The entry was a 90 bend with nasty ruts. I had about 8 meters of tough clay ahead and then it eased out of the marsh. So we had to get the winch vehicle around, which was a struggle in itself. If I had a winch I could have been done by the time the recovery car was in place.

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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    I've had a winch on my Jeep for around 5 years, if needed it twice, once to save another vehicle from rolling and once when nothing else could get me out.

    When i got the ranger i found a warn zeon for cheap on marketplace and decided to get it, was also stuck with mounting it under the factory bumper or getting a bullbar.

    Decided to go with the bullbar option, havent needed it since install last year but the face that it is there gives me some comfortClick image for larger version. 

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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Hi Guys, for safety sake, if you can do it, put it up.

    Below a few pics of one of my guys T-boned a Taxi, Colt chassis as strait as a arrow, Bosbamber only a few scratched, sure the nose on the Colt were bend, it been repaired as we speak.

    The bumper took all the impact, only bending on the brackets, chassis and suspension as strait and square as it come from the factory.
    Needless to say my drive got out with out a scratch, couple of people hurt in the taxi. Taxi whole body and chassis bend.

    If it was not for the bumper, me and "Coba" would not be hunting this year.

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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by craigmitchellchf View Post
    I am considering fitting a PIAK or ARB offroad front bumper, with a winch, onto my Ford Everest (2020 2.0 BiT). Most of my offroad driving is on gravel or thick soft sand roads. Our next journey takes us from Moremi to Muchenje through Chobe via the Sand Ridge or Marsh Roads. Wondering if it is worth the investment and, if it is, will I need to lift the suspension with replacement coils, or should spacers suffice? Guessing the bumper and winch will increase the front weight by around 60-75kg. Advice welcomed.
    I will fit a good suspension before I do a bumper and winch IMO. If you got the cash to do both before the trip, then first add all the weight and the fit the suspension.
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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by gerritp View Post
    Hi Guys, for safety sake, if you can do it, put it up.

    Below a few pics of one of my guys T-boned a Taxi, Colt chassis as strait as a arrow, Bosbamber only a few scratched, sure the nose on the Colt were bend, it been repaired as we speak.

    The bumper took all the impact, only bending on the brackets, chassis and suspension as strait and square as it come from the factory.
    Needless to say my drive got out with out a scratch, couple of people hurt in the taxi. Taxi whole body and chassis bend.

    If it was not for the bumper, me and "Coba" would not be hunting this year.

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    Are you saying it's safer to have an offroad bumper? I would say that an argument can be made in that now instead of the bumper absorbing some of the impact, your body is going to take more abuse than if you had a traditional bumper. So yes it saved your car in your case, but I will bet it put more impact onto your body than a normal bumper would have

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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by DevonEllett View Post
    Are you saying it's safer to have an offroad bumper? I would say that an argument can be made in that now instead of the bumper absorbing some of the impact, your body is going to take more abuse than if you had a traditional bumper. So yes it saved your car in your case, but I will bet it put more impact onto your body than a normal bumper would have
    Normal bumpers are not what we grew up with. Only paper-thick plastic covers to protect engine parts from damaged by flying insects.
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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    A winch is nice to have when you need it!!!
    Have only used it twice on myself and a couple of times on others.

    Wife bitched at the price when purchased but after the first recovery, we were on our own, she pronounced that the
    winch had now paid for itself!

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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme McConnachie View Post
    A winch is nice to have when you need it!!!
    Have only used it twice on myself and a couple of times on others.

    Wife bitched at the price when purchased but after the first recovery, we were on our own, she pronounced that the
    winch had now paid for itself!

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    For me it was the opposite, we got stuck on our own in Moz, in December, in all the stress of getting us unstuck, my instructions from SWAMBO were, when we get back fit a winch.

    I had to wait for the parts for the Pajero Sport , but finally fitted the Hamer Bumper and Runva winch on friday.
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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Insurance helped me fit an off-road bumper when a large truck removed my standard one at an intersection.
    While I was at it, I did OME suspension and a 10000 lb winch which I was in two minds about.

    I haven't regretted the decision for a second.
    The major benefit of the bumper is increased ground clearance and attack angle, which has definitely been a factor in Damaraland and the Kaokoveld.
    I have only self-recovered 4 times in 7 years, but I have recovered about 30 other vehicles in the same time, mostly beach recoveries.
    I prefer a controlled, slow winch recovery over a more dynamic method, particularly when assisting strangers.
    One particular night we had to winch a car which had been stuck in a hole for 6 hours and surrounded by lionesses with cubs. Having the ability to work quickly was quite a bonus that night.

    In summary, if I am in terrain where I have 4 wheel drive just in case I run into trouble, then I wouldn't bother with a winch. If, however, I am spending time in terrain where 4wd is essential, I like to have a winch just in case I misjudge or run into trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody62 View Post
    For me it was the opposite, we got stuck on our own in Moz, in December, in all the stress of getting us unstuck, my instructions from SWAMBO were, when we get back fit a winch.

    I had to wait for the parts for the Pajero Sport , but finally fitted the Hamer Bumper and Runva winch on friday.
    I just asked SWAMBO her opinion - she says definitely get a winch, and any self-respecting offroader knows that SWAMBO is always right,

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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Unless you spend most of the year in such areas where you could need it, don't.
    It's a lot of extra money you could spend elsewhere.
    It adds extra weight to the vehicle (check your tare and GVM).

    We installed a front bumper/ winch at our first Pajero, never needed it.
    16 years later and probably 1 Mio km through Africa, recently driving our 5th LWB Pajero, I can not remember one situation where we would have need one.
    Or, where we could've need one, but no suitable anchors around ( mostly traveling solo in remote areas)..
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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Hi
    For your use case a winch is probably not necessary. What I would recommend is spending some of the money you save on a proper set of Maxtrax - they are my "go to" recovery gear as we usually travel alone.
    Regards
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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Came out of Kafue NP last week and had to detour some water logged areas in high grass and consequently got lost in the area around Nanzhila Safari Lodge.

    I wouldn't have dared to chose that route without the back-up of a winch which we duly needed when stuck on dried mud (like concrete) against the front diff and axle and 2 wheels in water.

    In fact we needed 2 winches against each other to get my rig freed after an hour of digging solid baked mud under the chassis.

    A winch is like an insurance policy, you can go without, but when you get into trouble, it's good to have.
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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Emilius View Post
    Hi
    For your use case a winch is probably not necessary. What I would recommend is spending some of the money you save on a proper set of Maxtrax - they are my "go to" recovery gear as we usually travel alone.
    Regards
    Maxtrax are awesome. However if you are bottomed out wheels in the air they wont help you.
    Genuine Maxtrax are not much cheaper than a winch.

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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by gerritp View Post
    Hi Guys, for safety sake, if you can do it, put it up.

    Below a few pics of one of my guys T-boned a Taxi, Colt chassis as strait as a arrow, Bosbamber only a few scratched, sure the nose on the Colt were bend, it been repaired as we speak.

    The bumper took all the impact, only bending on the brackets, chassis and suspension as strait and square as it come from the factory.
    Needless to say my drive got out with out a scratch, couple of people hurt in the taxi. Taxi whole body and chassis bend.

    If it was not for the bumper, me and "Coba" would not be hunting this year.

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    The laws of physics would dictate otherwise.

    Totally false sense of safety.
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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Emilius View Post
    Hi
    For your use case a winch is probably not necessary. What I would recommend is spending some of the money you save on a proper set of Maxtrax - they are my "go to" recovery gear as we usually travel alone.
    Regards
    Absolutely agree.

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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Untill you hit a large animal and that full steel bumper means you can still drive away from what could be a fatal incident then you don't need one, same with the winch. Always had one used it plenty
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    Default Re: Is an offroad bumper with a winch worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Emilius View Post
    Hi
    For your use case a winch is probably not necessary. What I would recommend is spending some of the money you save on a proper set of Maxtrax - they are my "go to" recovery gear as we usually travel alone.
    Regards
    Personally I would far rather have a winch than all the Maxtrax in the world. My experience with them has been less than inspiring.
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