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    Default Re: AT Tyres - choices for the not so serious.

    Quote Originally Posted by QuQ View Post
    Rather shoot yourself in the foot with a 9mm
    This 60 times over.
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    Default Re: AT Tyres - choices for the not so serious.

    Quote Originally Posted by QuQ View Post
    Rather shoot yourself in the foot with a 9mm
    Morning.
    Out of curiosity, why?
    On 3 separate occasions, these have been recommended to me.
    I met some crazy people.... They made me their leader.



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    Default Re: AT Tyres - choices for the not so serious.

    Because they are rubbish tyres, easily the worst tyres mentioned in the thread. Search this forum and the internet in general for reports on them and then scratch them off your list.

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    Default Re: AT Tyres - choices for the not so serious.

    I have only done 14000kms with my first ever set of AT3 Grabbers, but I am very impressed with the lack of road noise for a AT tyre.

    The soft drive, good handling and little wear, in comparison to the much more expensive KO2s and Coopers I had on before.
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    Default Re: AT Tyres - choices for the not so serious.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlexP View Post
    Morning.
    Out of curiosity, why?
    On 3 separate occasions, these have been recommended to me.
    The experiences we have had within our immediate family are not good.

    A VW transporter bus, only managed 26000km on a set. They were completely worn out.

    FIL.... got a number of punctures, then a sidewall cut.

    SIL, lots of punctures.

    As mentioned above... of all the tyres that you and everyone else mentions above... the Bridgestones would be my absolute last choice by a country mile.
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    Default Re: AT Tyres - choices for the not so serious.

    I have Maxxis Bighorn MT on the Landcruiser for serious off-roading here in Kenya. The farm is about 8kms from the nearest tarmac.

    I have become a bit of a Maxxis fan, as the Hilux has Razr AT on it now and I think they are excellent for road, plus our wet mud at times. It had the ‘std from new’ Dunlop AT on it (in name, they are a road tyre) when I bought it and I cannot tell the difference on road between them. The maxxis are much better off road and especially when wet.

    (The landcruiser had some Wideway (No, I had never heard of them either) ATs on there, 3.5 hours of digging her out helped me decide to get MTs!)
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    I think it is also a case of you get what you pay for with the Bridgestones.

    A quick search shows the average price for a Dueller in 265/65/17 (Fortuner) size is about R2400. Most of the “preferred” brands start closer to the R3000-R3300 mark.

    I also know from personal experience, as an example, they are one of the OEM options for Fortuner. Personally I would consider them a road tyre at best, but people by their Fortuners, load them up, go off road, deflate the pressure and the Bridgestones aren’t up to the job. But then I think Toyota expects that most Fortuners will never leave the tar road.

    My Fortuner came with Bridgestone Duellers. Within a month I had replaced them with the Goodyear Wrangler AT Adenture. I loved those tyres. Quiet, comfortable and good off road … until …a tiny stone in long grass absolutely destroyed the Wrangler.

    I threw cash at the problem and replaced the Wrangler’s with Coopers. Now as an off road tyre I found these the best I ever had. Hugely
    conpliant off road and not even a puncture. Off road I felt like king of the bush. But on road the Coopers nearly killed me. I felt like I needed a kidney belt. Then tied to a Fortuner didn’t help either 😂

    If I had to do it over (with a Fortuner or similar), I would stick with the Wangler Adventure. Great value for money and good ride.

    On the wife’s Jimny we had the General Grabber AT3. Great tyre. Great ride. Good off-road. But over two years these brand new tyres with 20k km on them “rotted” before our eyes.

    And that’s the thing on a forum like this. Ask a question and you will get a million different answers and opinions. Nature of the beast.

    The other advice I can give is pay attention to and understand the detail of what you are buying. The image below is an example. Both look and appear identical except the little LT part on the more expensive tyre. 99% of tyre fitment centres won’t even have this conversation with you. They just supply what will close the deal. Same brand, same model but …LT…

    LT (Light Truck) tires are generally designed to be more durable and have a higher load capacity than standard passenger car tires. This means that they are built with more robust materials. For example, the sidewalls are reinforced and the treads are stronger, making them more durable

    So even when you ask for tyre advice in the forum, specify the detail, vehicle, use case, towing?, on road vs off road split, type of off road etc.


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    Default Re: AT Tyres - choices for the not so serious.

    For me in the past and currently I had axcelent service from Firestone Destination AT and Goodyear Wrangler AT in 215/80R15 and 245/70R16 on Isuzu, Hilux and NP 300 bakkies.
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    Default Re: AT Tyres - choices for the not so serious.

    Nissan X-trail is monocoque design like many softroaders.

    Requirements differ to body on chassis vehicles.

    Sure plenty tyre choices out there and as PeterS posted...
    And that’s the thing on a forum like this. Ask a question and you will get a million different answers and opinions. Nature of the beast.
    I leave this video here....not about the tyre, but the design philosophy

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    Default Re: AT Tyres - choices for the not so serious.

    I am a Goodyear Wrangler fan. Have used them extensively over the last 25 years and, for me, the best value for money. On average, 65k to 70km per set. Rotate every 10k. I replace tyres once a year, and my vehicles do 60% Namibia gravel roads.

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    Default Re: AT Tyres - choices for the not so serious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof View Post
    Nissan X-trail is monocoque design like many softroaders.

    Requirements differ to body on chassis vehicles.

    Sure plenty tyre choices out there and as PeterS posted...

    I leave this video here....not about the tyre, but the design philosophy


    100%. Speaks back to my post #13. The Yokohama and Falken AT Trail are specifically designed for crossover vehicles like the Xtrail, Subaru etc.

    If you need a more off road tyre than either of these then you probably have the wrong vehicle to start with 🤷, not the wrong tyre.
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    Default Re: AT Tyres - choices for the not so serious.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlexP View Post
    Morning.
    Out of curiosity, why?
    On 3 separate occasions, these have been recommended to me.
    On the two GD-6's I've owned the first one managed just over 30000k's and they were done, second bakkie just under 50000k's same thing. I do rotation, alignment and balancing every 10000k's.

    Never had an issue with punctures but theese tyres are notorious for being out of round so they don't balance properly.

    For the same money that Duelers go for, I fitted Falken Wildpeak AT3W's and they're rated to go for a 100000k's. They also look way more aggressive.

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    Default Re: AT Tyres - choices for the not so serious.

    Bridgestone Dueler D697 AT are tyres I have had very good experiences with on the older and newer (2019) Fortuner.. The Duelers D693 and D694 are the ones I am aware of that may be problematic.

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    Default Re: AT Tyres - choices for the not so serious.

    We put Falken AT3W on SWAMBO’s FL2.
    she has been very happy with them
    quieter that the thread would suggest

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    Default Re: AT Tyres - choices for the not so serious.

    Falken AT Trail vs AT3W. Both excellent. Pick your poison vs your wants and needs

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    Default Re: AT Tyres - choices for the not so serious.

    Quote Originally Posted by QuQ View Post
    Rather shoot yourself in the foot with a 9mm
    Both feet, just to be sure

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    Default Re: AT Tyres - choices for the not so serious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonyf View Post
    I have an XTrail 4x4 and we're off to northern Namibia and Caprivi for a few weeks. I'm putting on at tyres in replacement to the road rubber I currently have on which are in any case showing their age.
    Choices General at3 /Goodyear Grandtrek /yokohama Geolanders....any advice or opinion on the best value for money out there?..... I'm leaning towards the yokohamas....
    Thanks all for the input. I went with the Geolandars 😊👍

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    Default Re: AT Tyres - choices for the not so serious.

    Very happy with the Continental crosscontact ATR.

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    Default Re: AT Tyres - choices for the not so serious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonyf View Post
    I have an XTrail 4x4 and we're off to northern Namibia and Caprivi for a few weeks. I'm putting on at tyres in replacement to the road rubber I currently have on which are in any case showing their age.
    Choices General at3 /Goodyear Grandtrek /yokohama Geolanders....any advice or opinion on the best value for money out there?..... I'm leaning towards the yokohamas....
    I can't give you tyre brand suggestions, however, for your Namibia trip I would give you one other suggestion that get a tyre pressure monitor. It can be life saver/tyre saver. You would not know when you get a flat on those gravels.
    Even the cheapies would do to give you some idea, remember it does not have to be accurate, you just need to know when the pressure is seriously low.

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    Default Re: AT Tyres - choices for the not so serious.

    Glad you went with the Geolanders they are very good. Have it on the Xtrail and only had joy up to now with them and still going strong.

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