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    Sounds like everyone got out ok at least. Wonder what the cause will turn out to be.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander View Post
    Sounds like everyone got out ok at least. Wonder what the cause will turn out to be.
    No report on the occupants of the second aircraft, though.
    (seems to be a runway collision)
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    5 dead on the coast guard plane, according to BBC.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4ePajero View Post
    No report on the occupants of the second aircraft, though.
    (seems to be a runway collision)

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    Captain in serious condition in hospital.

    Somebody messed up. Two planes on the runway. Passenger plane was emptied brilliantly. Airbus 350 - plastic plane Very nice plane.

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    5 dead on the coast guard plane, according to BBC.
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    Very sad for the Coast Guard who lost lives, and a miracle for all of the A350 to escape... Some scary photos (sorry for quality, the website below with more info...):

    http://avherald.com/h?article=5132b9fe&opt=0

    Any number of things could have gone wrong, but gone wrong it did...

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    Looking into the videos that Airbus 350 worked as it should. Body remained intact to give enough time for the crew to get people out. 350 is a "plastic plane". It did resist fire for a while BUT the fire engines could not stop the fire. That will be looked at why not. I saw water spraying but not so much foam. I am sure that issue will be looked at. This is the first "plastic" airplane's major accident. Boeing have their Dreamliner. Also a nice plane.

    Aluminum planes burn also. 737 is one plane that is over designed. I do not know what would have happened with that plane if it hit an other plane. In the past 737 body is remarkably solid after a crash.

    I have not yet seen what type of plane 350 hit. Substantially smaller I think. According to Google search: Bombardier-built Dash-8 maritime patrol plane.

    Relatively small: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Hav..._Canada_Dash_8
    compared to 350.

    There were some injuries during the evacuation. That is expected. 350 lost its nose landing gear so the rear slide was not far from vertical. Broken bone here or there is fully acceptable. It would be nice to see video of the evacuation inside the plane. To get all the people out is a miracle. There could not have been a big panic. If there was people would have died.

    This accident will be looked at in detail. It was said that evacuation videos will be used as training material for years to come. Boeing and Airbus will look at the fire aspect and most probably there will be extended evaluation how to stop fire on this type of "plastic" plane.

    I say "plastic". 350 and Dreamliner have carbon fiber reinforced resin body. If you like to read on the plane:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A350
    Original 350 design was scrapped when Boeing started selling their Dreamliner. Boeing had no design at that time. Only a sales team with promises. There were already orders on the original aluminum/fiber design of 350. All of those were "cancelled" and Airbus redesigned the plane. There are some differences how the two planes are manufactured.

    350 is definitely the best Airbus plane that I have been in. Same applies to Dreamliner. It is the best Boeing. (The best seats are in really old planes)
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    I've seen a lot of disturbing pics online and in some circles.
    Nothing here, but just keep in mind some people are a bit sensitive to graphic stuff, like myself
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    Hardly related, but I wonder how many of the passengers were Japanese. If there was ever a national culture that I can imagine not panicking and then obeying instructions, then I'd say Japanese.
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    No translation needed

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    My point is, that few people realize the cardinal role staff play (and I mean ALL crew and staff), and the fact that there were no casualties, was not by accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gungets Tuft View Post
    Hardly related, but I wonder how many of the passengers were Japanese. If there was ever a national culture that I can imagine not panicking and then obeying instructions, then I'd say Japanese.
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    it 'appears' as the ATR or Dash 8 - both names have been given - entered the runway and was about to take off.
    The ATC would not have cleared the JAL 350 to land if that was the case - the flying conditions . meaning viz. were good.

    - here lies the error/cause. Jap ATC very good - but nobody infallible

    I think the spinning props sliced through the inboard wing area and belly - killing a lot of circuits and slicing fuel tanks.

    the one engine was still running and i know the Evac Checklist calls for 'shut down engines' . 2nd item IIRC.

    the JAL crew did and excellent job.
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    There are semi confirmed reports that the smaller plane did not have permission for the take-off.

    Apparently that specific airport is "confusing". It has 3 runways and a lot of taxi ways. It would not be the first time if a pilot got confused. Finnish fighter plane landed on a taxiway and recently Russian passenger plane landed on a frozen river instead of the airport. Nothing happened in those two cases.

    Fortunately this was not like Tenerife accident where two 747 were on one runway.
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    Also OT a bit, but the internal footage showed a lot of people trying to get to overhead storage, which is definitely not safety protocol. Makes it slower, as well as more difficult to get to the exits. But it does make me think that when I fly in future those "critical" items such as phone, wallet, car key will be on my person and not in storage. It's a by-the-by when your life is on the line, but who wants to have to even have that thought occur.
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    Pilots did not know that the plane was on fire. Visibility for them is poor. More details:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67879308
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    I think that the stated evacuation time of 18 minutes, is highly doubtful. If that was the case, a lot of lives would have been lost.

    My daughter once told me what the benchmark was, but I would have to lie if a name a figure. Maybe some of the experts can tell us?



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    Deadly Tokyo Crash Cost $100mn, Says Japan Airlines

    Japan Airlines expects the crash that destroyed its A350 airbus at Tokyo’s Haneda airport on Tuesday to set the company back around $100 million in operating loss, although it will be covered by their insurance.

    Authorities are still investigating the incident in which five Coast Guard members died, after confirming their smaller aircraft had not been cleared for takeoff, contrary to testimony from the only surviving member of the Coast guard crew.

    This was the first time the hull of an A350 airbus - made with cutting edge carbon fibre-reinforced plastic - has been completely lost in a disaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hatjohan View Post
    I think that the stated evacuation time of 18 minutes, is highly doubtful. If that was the case, a lot of lives would have been lost.

    My daughter once told me what the benchmark was, but I would have to lie if a name a figure. Maybe some of the experts can tell us?
    Type certification requires that all pax have to be evacuated in 90 seconds. Apparently the JAL crew pulled this off.
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    Juan Browne's initial crash analysis....

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    Quote Originally Posted by philth View Post
    Type certification requires that all pax have to be evacuated in 90 seconds. Apparently the JAL crew pulled this off.
    Had the same time span in the back of my mind (was 6-7 years ago), but did not want to make a fool of myself

    Typically, I wrote the above before watching the video myself.
    So the benchmark with all (8) shoots deployed is 45 seconds (thus in an "ideal" evacuation scenario). Amazing!
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