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    Default Re: R21 Highway falling apart ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus-Prime View Post
    No comment.
    You obviously cannot answer me.
    You made the accusation, prove it, or expand on it.
    Until you do, I consider you to be nothing more than a troll.
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    Default Re: R21 Highway falling apart ...

    Quote Originally Posted by 4ePajero View Post
    15yrs!
    Then that overlay lasted very well!
    Taking into account the increase of traffic since then.
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    Default Re: R21 Highway falling apart ...

    That's not what I asked.
    You obviously had some skin in the game with regards the construction of the toll roads, so maybe you can explain to us mere mortals why the road looks like it do ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus-Prime View Post
    That's not what I asked.
    You obviously had some skin in the game with regards the construction of the toll roads, so maybe you can explain to us mere mortals why the road looks like it do ?
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    Default Re: R21 Highway falling apart ...

    Yip, that explains it...

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    Default Re: R21 Highway falling apart ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus-Prime View Post
    Yip, that explains it...
    So why your insulting accusation earlier?
    Troll!
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    Default Re: R21 Highway falling apart ...

    Quote Originally Posted by 4ePajero View Post
    So why your insulting accusation earlier?
    Troll!
    The lady doth protest too much, methinks....

    It's still not an answer...Troll !!!

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    Default Re: R21 Highway falling apart ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus-Prime View Post
    The lady doth protest too much, methinks....

    It's still not an answer...Troll !!!
    It is not only an answer for those who know anything about the life of asphalt due to traffic and other conditions, but also proof that you don't understand this.

    The more important point is that you accused ECSA registered professional engineers of either corruption or malpractise.

    I had absolutely nothing to do with that contract, but I see the engineers who were, as my professional colleagues, and will defend them.
    We are proud of our profession and the ethics involved.

    If you have information that supports your accusation, why don't you contact SANRAL Northern Region and get the names of the professional engineers involved?

    Then lay a charge against them at ECSA.

    That will take balls.
    Trolling on social media does not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4ePajero View Post
    It is not only an answer for those who know anything about the life of asphalt due to traffic and other conditions, but also proof that you don't understand this.

    The more important point is that you accused ECSA registered professional engineers of either corruption or malpractise.

    I had absolutely nothing to do with that contract, but I see the engineers who were, as my professional colleagues, and will defend them.
    We are proud of our profession and the ethics involved.

    If you have information that supports your accusation, why don't you contact SANRAL Northern Region and get the names of the professional engineers involved?

    Then lay a charge against them at ECSA.

    That will take balls.
    Trolling on social media does not.
    Isn't it interesting that the 4 minute internet "engineers" know so much more than us who studied 4 years?

    I think it's not worth arguing further with the internet "engineers". They just know too much...
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    Default Re: R21 Highway falling apart ...

    Quote Originally Posted by fralanti View Post
    Isn't it interesting that the 4 minute internet "engineers" know so much more than us who studied 4 years?

    I think it's not worth arguing further with the internet "engineers". They just know too much...
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    Default Re: R21 Highway falling apart ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus-Prime View Post
    I bow to your superior knowledge about the industry in which I have been involved for close on 50years.

    Respect!
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    Default Re: R21 Highway falling apart ...

    Quote Originally Posted by fralanti View Post
    Isn't it interesting that the 4 minute internet "engineers" know so much more than us who studied 4 years?

    I think it's not worth arguing further with the internet "engineers". They just know too much...

    4 Years and you still cannot build a road...? Like I said... then please enlighten us mere mortals, oh hallowed one !

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    https://www.engineeringnews.co.za/ar...ies-2016-05-10

    From your own esteemed colleague's publication. Why does 15 construction companies come to a R1,46 Billion settlement if there was no corruption ? To protect their ethics... ?

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    Default Re: R21 Highway falling apart ...

    Quote Originally Posted by 4ePajero View Post
    It is not only an answer for those who know anything about the life of asphalt due to traffic and other conditions, but also proof that you don't understand this.

    The more important point is that you accused ECSA registered professional engineers of either corruption or malpractise.

    I had absolutely nothing to do with that contract, but I see the engineers who were, as my professional colleagues, and will defend them.
    We are proud of our profession and the ethics involved.

    If you have information that supports your accusation, why don't you contact SANRAL Northern Region and get the names of the professional engineers involved?

    Then lay a charge against them at ECSA.

    That will take balls.
    Trolling on social media does not.


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    Default Re: R21 Highway falling apart ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus-Prime View Post
    Yip, that explains it...
    Yes, it does.. that as well as the fact that after the initial construction period, the road gets handed back to the Client (SANRAL) with all the roles and responsibilities that go with that

    Part of those responsibilities are RRM... routine road maintenance... that has a direct impact on the lifespan of the road

    SANRAL is also an SOE and as such might have the same challenges as all the other SOE's

    Consulting Engineers and Contractors cannot be held liable for the non-occurrence of said maintenance for whatever the reason might be
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    Quote Originally Posted by 280iNyati View Post
    The consulting firm was established in 1947 I think, and had more than 70 years of experience in the Civil Engineering field
    Our "specialist" does not distinguish between consultants and contractors.
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    Default Re: R21 Highway falling apart ...

    Oh the bickering!!

    It is a valid question. There are many of the Gauteng motorways that was done earlier than the R21 and doesn't show the degradation of this specific stretch of road.

    So, from your lofty perch, please supply an answer that will satisfy the OP instead of going of on a tangent that helps nobody.
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    Our "specialist" does not distinguish between consultants and contractors.
    This 'specailist', although defending his 'profession' tooth and nail, does not distinguish between his profession and the very real allegations mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iandvl View Post
    This 'specailist', although defending his 'profession' tooth and nail, does not distinguish between his profession and the very real allegations mentioned.
    I am quoting my own post, which is a no-no. I am worried about (insert pronoun here) Gerhard. He has liked several of my posts - including the quoted one, which was not a really rose-coloured one... All good at home ?
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