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    Default SAA flight nearly went very bad!

    A slightly dramatised report but still very worrying
    https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/arti...overed-at-saa/
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    Default Re: SAA flight nearly went very bad!

    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    A slightly dramatised report but still very worrying
    https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/arti...overed-at-saa/
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4ePajero View Post
    I hate it when I have to register on a news site, to read the news!
    You don't have to
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    You don't have to
    When I clicked the link the first time, it asked for log in / registration.
    When I clicked it the second time, it allowed me in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4ePajero View Post
    I hate it when I have to register on a news site, to read the news!
    Click on that little x in top rhs corner and article is there to be read.

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    Default Re: SAA flight nearly went very bad!

    From Daily MAverick

    "When the plane was refuelled in Accra, the engines would not start. Investigation revealed water in the fuel.

    The flight was delayed until 3.20am the following day, when the Airbus departed from Accra, operating under the callsign SA9053, the prefix indicating that it was now a non-passenger carrying ferry flight."



    I read this same story a few days ago on another news site and it mentioned as did the Daily Maverick, that on the runway before take off water contamination was found in the fuel, but that the contaminated fuel was drained and the aircraft refueled..... strange that Daily Maverick report leaves that fact out, unless it is not true of course.


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    In April, an Airbus A330-300 had taken off from Accra, Ghana, to OR Tambo International Airport – however, one of the engines reportedly surged mid-flight.
    Leitch says despite landing the aircraft in Johannesburg, the lives of around 200 people were put at risk.

    “SAA had changed the fuel supplier in Accra and in the fuelling process they discovered that there was water in the fuel. They kept the plane on the ground in Accra for about 16.5 hours while they tried to purge the fuel system.
    So they signed it off with the authoriser for a ferry flight back. But a ferry flight should not be carrying passengers, it was just to take the aircraft back for maintenance. But they still loaded up 183 passengers and 25 staff crew.

    “Not surprisingly, the aircraft literally landed in very serious problems over the middle of the Kalahari. The incident wasn’t reported to SACAA by SAA at all. Ultimately it was the Ghanaian authorities. The CAA should be stepping in to take charge of this accident,” Leitch explains.



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    Default Re: SAA flight nearly went very bad!

    You should let the aircraft stand for 24 hours, for the water to settle at the bottom, where the purging points are.
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    Abysmal, the fact that it wasn't reported is even worse...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    A slightly dramatised report but still very worrying
    https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/arti...overed-at-saa/
    Indeed very worrying and even more concerning is that the same Pilot (Captain) name is mentioned in these different incidents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Searcher View Post
    Indeed very worrying and even more concerning is that the same Pilot (Captain) name is mentioned in these different incidents.
    Captain Vusi Khumalo, who has now been involved in two serious safety related incidents, has according to Daily Maverick, been appointed as SAA's senior training captain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katlagter View Post
    Captain Vusi Khumalo, who has now been involved in two serious safety related incidents, has according to Daily Maverick, been appointed as SAA's senior training captain.
    And is not a qualified trainer, according to the article.

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    Default Re: SAA flight nearly went very bad!

    I do not think that water in the fuel is the mistake of the pilot, but.......

    ......Since 2014, I did not fly SAA. Just do not trust the maintenance of planes and the training/ skill of the pilots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bostoe View Post
    I do not think that water in the fuel is the mistake of the pilot, but.......

    ......Since 2014, I did not fly SAA. Just do not trust the maintenance of planes and the training/ skill of the pilots.

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    True, but somewhere he must have missed a "procedure" that us non-pilot folk don't know about, otherwise they (SAA) would not have tried to cover it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bostoe View Post
    I do not think that water in the fuel is the mistake of the pilot, but.......

    ......Since 2014, I did not fly SAA. Just do not trust the maintenance of planes and the training/ skill of the pilots.

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    The water in the fuel is not his fault but the decision to load passengers on a "ferry Flight" is his responsibility. He shoudl be fired and the people trying to cover up should be named and also fired.

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    Default Re: SAA flight nearly went very bad!

    So who of you guys would still fly SAA?

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    Default Re: SAA flight nearly went very bad!

    Nope.
    I don't go via Accra or as it was before Dakar etc.
    Direct flights, i don't mind paying more,
    I don't like stopping for a 1 or 2 hour refill and passenger shuffle yet you must remain in your seat on the plane.
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    Default Re: SAA flight nearly went very bad!

    I am/was a aircraft tech at Smuts , did many turn arounds on the " base' checked the fuel for water contamination and lots of other pre-flight checks , But this is more than 30 years ago , For this to have been a water in fuel problem , there must have been plenty water to cause a engine problem . The consumption is like 4000 lt per hour , that's plenty fuel , its pumped into the engine at pressure, just the heat in the combustion chamber will vaporise water , but as said , I cant remember much .
    Water is a possibility , but I think just an excuse .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mapog View Post
    So who of you guys would still fly SAA?
    The only direct flights available to me are
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    Default Re: SAA flight nearly went very bad!

    We refuel in Accra twice a day. No issues so far.
    When refueling, the person responsible for the fuelling would be shown a water check by the operator of the fuel bowser. Basically a fuel sample is sucked into a syringe through a cartridge, which would indicate the slightest amount of water in the jet fuel.
    The water test is then documented on the fuel receipt. It's either done in the presence of an engineer or one of the flight crew members. In case of SAA I would think they have either their own maintenance staff in Accra or have contracted another airline's maintenance.

    As a Captain, one hast to rely on the signatures of a lot of people. Once an aircraft is signed out by maintenance, it's good to go. I can just make sure that the required documents and signatures are there, I can't verify whether the work has been done properly and whether maintenance procedures have been followed according to the maintenance manual, which is not accessible to the flight crew anyway.
    Obviously, if I find evidence that procedures have not been followed, I can refuse to accept the release of the aircraft.
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    Default Re: SAA flight nearly went very bad!

    Sure thing, as captain you can't be everywhere. I had an external fuel pump ruined in Central Africa (well, it's filter) pumping fuel to test, the aircraft tanks were not affected. In the case of SAA, Airbus procedures should have cleared the problem, caution should have been exercised in dispatch as well as en route. Contamination can happen, I frown a bit on subsequent actions. Either way, even if all actions are done perfectly, it is still classified a serious incident, and warrants inspection of safety procedures.
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