Hilux front tyre wear

[JK1]

I need some advice and comments please.

My front tyres wears on the outside edge. So much so that I probably will not see more than 50K on the set.

I am rotating front to back. I have checked the alignment with a company I have used for many years and always had good service from them.

Vehicle is a Hilux 2.4 DC 4X4.
Tyres are Dunlop.

What is your experience?

Thanks Johan

[Inkanyamba]

I have two friends, both with Legend 50's with exactly the same issue and also dunlop tyres.

We were talking about it the other day. No idea why though as both had the alignment also checked and no problems

[stephenplumb]

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[Swiegie1]

This seems to be a common issue on the new double cab bakkies.

Same issue on my sisters Ford Ranger and Colleague's Fortuner.

I think due to the fact that the newer vehicles have much more power and stability they are being driven more like cars and thus the tyre wear.

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[John.oosthuizen95]

Try having the wheel alignment set to be slightly more toe out than the current setting....see if that works.. difference from current setteng shouldn't be more than 2 or 3 degrees less toe in from what it it is now at max ....
Also avoid braking while cornering..

[JK1]

Thanks for all the replies.

I spoke to my tyre Indie and he said the following:

The suspension allows more flex compared to an SFA vebicle. This adds to wear.

Tighter turning circle forces the tyre on an angle resulting the extra abrasion on the outside when wheels are turned.

I drive this bakkie like an old man so no hard braking and cornering.

Tyres are pumped 2 Bar when I run the vehicle empty.

99% Current driving is on tar. 60% town and 40% long distance.

The other item he mentioned is that the tyres on the later generation bakkies are more car like and are also softer.

I was hoping to get close to 100K km on a set but the outside edges will be gone by 50K km. The rest might still be usable.

Last thing I need to mention is that I bought the vehicle with the correction spacer on the front suspension. Can that add to the problem?

Is this a tyre type problem, a Hilux problem, a tyre problem in general or something else?

I dont buy the IFS reasoning. I had a Colt Rodeo before and before that an Isuzu KB 280 (96 model) with a much more "primitive" suspension and I never had this problem. Both gave me 100K km per set plus.

[Kalahari Safari]

Try having the wheel alignment set to be slightly more toe out than the current setting....see if that works.. difference from current setting shouldn't be more than 2 or 3 degrees less toe in from what it it is now at max ....
Also avoid braking while cornering..

Degrees are worlds, when corrections are in arc minutes.

You wouldn't be able to drive a car which has 2 degrees out-of-spec alignment.

[JK1]

Thanks for the comments.

Nobody else with similar problems?

I am trying to establish if I have to live with it or do something about it.

[Koebelwagen]

Thanks for the comments.

Nobody else with similar problems?

I am trying to establish if I have to live with it or do something about it.

When I still had Toyota Quantum busses I had the same experience. By chance I took the vehicles for tyres at a different to usual tyre shop where the alignment person actually knew how to fix the issue. Went from 30k KM between replacing front tyres to well over 60k KM. These busses only worked in town so tyre wear was always going to be worse than if they did long distance trips due to constant turning/ acceleration/ deceleration cycles.

You need to find a tyre shop with the right expertise. In my case it was BestDrive in Pineslopes near Fourways.

[HdVKotze]

I drive a Ford Ranger D/C 4x4 and I have experienced the same type of wear on the front tires. It seems it is part of the vehicle setup.

[janseekat]

Have the camber settings revisited.
The most of the operators does not know how to set it.
They rely on the green figure to lead them.
That difference makes your problem recur.
Read up on this and print the specs and procedures.
Approach your indie and insist he oversees the repair in your presence.
Have the amarok t shirt. Almost sorted.

[Predator]

Wheel alignment is the precise adjustment of wheel angles, used to achieve the best compromise between comfort, control, and tire wear. Alignment specifications differ from model to model, depending on suspension design. The alignment can also be fine-tuned for specific driving conditions. For example, if the car consistently carries only one person, or is consistently heavily loaded, this information will be useful to the alignment technician. Like tire pressure, wheel alignment also has some influence on fuel economy, because of the effect on rolling resistance.
The important alignment angles are camber, caster, and toe. Camber is the angle that the wheels tilt from vertical when viewed from front or rear, as illustrated in Fig. 4-1. Wheels which tilt out at the top have positive (+) camber. Wheels which tilt in at the top have negative (-) camber. On the Volkswagens covered by this manual, camber adjustment is not normally required, although there are provisions for making camber adjustments if necessary. Camber influences cornering, directional stability, and tire wear. Different camber on the two front wheels may cause the car to pull to one side. Misadjusted camber will cause uneven tire wear.

[stephenplumb]

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[HugoNotte]

Tyres are pumped 2 Bar when I run the vehicle empty.

Last thing I need to mention is that I bought the vehicle with the correction spacer on the front suspension. Can that add to the problem?

I think those two points are at least contributing factors.
A spacer changes the axle geometry by extending the distance between outer edge of the tyre and the pivot point of the wheel.

You don't mention the tyre size, but seeing it's a relatively recent Hilux you probably got something like 265/65R17, if not 18" wheels on. 2 bar for these slightly lower profiles might be a bit pap. Dunlops are not necessarily very hard tyres, they can probably do with a bit more pressure.
My FJ is supposed to run on 2.2 bar on 265/70R17 tyres. The lower the profile (the middle number in the tyre size, e.g. 70 or 65 or 60), the higher the pressure should be. 2 bars worked well on 75 tyres I had on the Landcruiser.

1) have the front tyres rotated on the rim, so what is now the inside should face out.
2) remove the spacers
3) have wheel alignment done at a place where they know what they are doing.
4) try higher tyre pressure in order to take the load off the edge of the tread. I would start with 2.2 or 2.3 bar.

[Searcher]

I need some advice and comments please.

My front tyres wears on the outside edge. So much so that I probably will not see more than 50K on the set.

I am rotating front to back. I have checked the alignment with a company I have used for many years and always had good service from them.

Vehicle is a Hilux 2.4 DC 4X4.
Tyres are Dunlop.

What is your experience?

Thanks Johan

I had the same problem on my Land Cruiser after raising the suspension slightly.
The outer edges of the front tyres had a lot more wear than the inner edges.

I completely solved the problem by setting the camber to -0.25 deg, meaning the tyres now tilt slighty inward, resulting in more road contact with the tyres inner edge and less on the tyres outer edge.

Whatever your vehicles wheel aligment specs are, just set the camber to the most negative or the least positive value in the allowable tolerance range.

[JK1]

Thanks I will consider the suggestions posted and discuss it with Autowiel Hendrik Verwoerd where I fit my tyres.

I just have to clarify one thing.

The spacer which was fitted before I bought the vehicle was to lift the nose to get the vehicle level and not to get the track wider.

Thanks Johan

[JK1]

Area of wear.
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[Iggi]

My 2019 Hilux had the exact same wear on the Dunlops, but both inside and outside, Tiger wheel and tyre did the alignment and told me it’s a common problem as 2 bar is way too low and that I should stick to 2.4 or higher for tar driving, since then no more wear on the edge.

[HannoK]

I would inflate to at least 2.2bar for normal day to day driving and see if it helps.
Also check the camber with the spacer in.

[JK1]

I had the alignment checked with the spacer in and it was within spec. I will dig up the printout and post the settings for further comment.

I do trust the Autowiel guys and have used them for many years.

So for now I will up the pressure to 2 2 Bar.

I also forgot to reply to the size question. It is 265/65/17 Dunlop Grandtrek AT.

Thanks and feel free to comment further.