Ford's new 3L V6 Diesel "Lion" Engine

[HannoK]

Gonna go the same route as the mascara Navara (Merc). No VW fan will want it with the Ford drivetrain.

Yeah I agree with you..

[offroad junky]

Gonna go the same route as the mascara Navara (Merc). No VW fan will want it with the Ford drivetrain.

Ford engine plant in PE will build the engines for the new Ranger and Amarok and Ford Pretoria will build both Ranger and VW but both will be totally differently tuned and suspension set up differently

[Makaira]

So they say ... sigh

[Petri Oosthuizen]

Bly stil Oosthuizen........TJOEPstil...........

[faniedup]

Gonna go the same route as the mascara Navara (Merc). No VW fan will want it with the Ford drivetrain.

He he, shows you how peoples mileage will vary.

I'm driving a Lion V6 with 212k km's on the clock and will never ever touch anything with a VAG badge on ever again, that 2.3 5cylinder fell apart as I drove out the dealership, and the rest of the body followed shortly behind.

[offroad junky]

Bly stil Oosthuizen........TJOEPstil...........

Lig my ook in?

[Ha-Ka]

Maybe the Veedub fans must just chill a bit...

It is not as if the current Amarok was a runaway success here, more like a niche vehicle.
I am sure a company like VW would keep a very close eye on the development and manufacturing of these "twin" vehicles, before they put their badge on the grill.
The new Ranger is obviously going to be a level or even 3 above the rest. That is obviously why VW decided to join in on this development effort. I'm sure the 2 vehicles will have a different character to them for the sake of die-hard fans...

Don't compare it to the Navara/X-class fiasco - it wasn't a ground-breaking design to start off with, and the prices Merc wanted for these was absolutely ridiculous!
That is probably why Nissan almost re-invented their Navara, not only to improve the mistakes of the previous model, but to get rid of the "bad taste" the Merc left...

...and lastly - if the VW V6 is such a "Gem", why is it that you can buy V6 Amarok's with more than a 100 000km on the clock for pretty much "cheap"?

[HannoK]

Maybe the Veedub fans must just chill a bit...

It is not as if the current Amarok was a runaway success here, more like a niche vehicle.
I am sure a company like VW would keep a very close eye on the development and manufacturing of these "twin" vehicles, before they put their badge on the grill.
The new Ranger is obviously going to be a level or even 3 above the rest. That is obviously why VW decided to join in on this development effort. I'm sure the 2 vehicles will have a different character to them for the sake of die-hard fans...

Don't compare it to the Navara/X-class fiasco - it wasn't a ground-breaking design to start off with, and the prices Merc wanted for these was absolutely ridiculous!
That is probably why Nissan almost re-invented their Navara, not only to improve the mistakes of the previous model, but to get rid of the "bad taste" the Merc left...

...and lastly - if the VW V6 is such a "Gem", why is it that you can buy V6 Amarok's with more than a 100 000km on the clock for pretty much "cheap"?

A v6 Amarok for cheap? Where?
The VW is no doubt a gem of a motor. They have done service in other VW vehicles too. And I haven't seen many report of problems with the engine.
The Lion motor on the other hand.. Many reports on them.

The Amarok only had a limited number allocated to SA each year and they sold all that were allocated. They couldn't sell more as they didn't have more to sell.
The single cab didn't sell, I'll agree to that.

Merc didn't keep a close eye on the Nissan engines either. And they even put their own engine into it after a year or two. And it still was a flop. There is no VW in the new Amarok at all!
It will be as much different as the differences were between the Mazda BT50 and the Ranger. Which was almost zero! And it didn't turn out well for Mazda either.

I predict it is going it be a flop like the Merc and the BT50 were.
Maybe I will be proven wrong. I hope so but as things stand right now I cannot see any reason to buy the new "Amarok", at most likely a premium price over the Ranger. Just go and buy the Ranger then.

[hein100]

Maybe the Veedub fans must just chill a bit...

It is not as if the current Amarok was a runaway success here, more like a niche vehicle.
I am sure a company like VW would keep a very close eye on the development and manufacturing of these "twin" vehicles, before they put their badge on the grill.
The new Ranger is obviously going to be a level or even 3 above the rest. That is obviously why VW decided to join in on this development effort. I'm sure the 2 vehicles will have a different character to them for the sake of die-hard fans...

Don't compare it to the Navara/X-class fiasco - it wasn't a ground-breaking design to start off with, and the prices Merc wanted for these was absolutely ridiculous!
That is probably why Nissan almost re-invented their Navara, not only to improve the mistakes of the previous model, but to get rid of the "bad taste" the Merc left...

...and lastly - if the VW V6 is such a "Gem", why is it that you can buy V6 Amarok's with more than a 100 000km on the clock for pretty much "cheap"?

2019 Ford Wildtrack 134 000km op 630 000
2019 VW Amarok 139 000km op 629 000

ek weet watter 1 ek sal vat en prys is dieselfde so hoekom is jou ford dan so cheap?

[Dwayne P]

Have to Agree the Nissan/Renault/Merc thing was a mess. More for Merc pricing their model higher than the other for same same.

These are some interweb reasons for ford Ditching the powerstroke 3.0 last year already. Ford Lion Family

4 Common 3.0 PowerStroke Problems

A few common problems on the 3 liter Ford Power Stroke engine include:

• Crankshaft Bearings
• EGR
• DPF
• EGT Sensors

DPF are a ball ache, Egr's are problematic on many vehicles. Other 2 reasons might be more of an issue.

[Francois111]

2019 Ford Wildtrack 134 000km op 630 000
2019 VW Amarok 139 000km op 629 000

ek weet watter 1 ek sal vat en prys is dieselfde so hoekom is jou ford dan so cheap?

Wel ek dink die die Ford was R100k goedkoper toe hulle nuut gekoop was in 2019.

[Ha-Ka]

2019 Ford Wildtrack 134 000km op 630 000
2019 VW Amarok 139 000km op 629 000

ek weet watter 1 ek sal vat en prys is dieselfde so hoekom is jou ford dan so cheap?

Volgens Cars.co.za (new price):
2019 Ranger 2.0 bi-turbo 4x4 Wildtrak - R678 200
2019 Amarok V6 Canyon - R799 000

[Tom13]

In the remainder of that article they say that most of it is speculation w.r.t the Ford Powerstroke engine and most of it refers to the version in the Land Rover.

If you google F150 Powerstroke V6 crank/bearing failure you will not find meaningful hits.

Have to Agree the Nissan/Renault/Merc thing was a mess. More for Merc pricing their model higher than the other for same same.

These are some interweb reasons for ford Ditching the powerstroke 3.0 last year already. Ford Lion Family

4 Common 3.0 PowerStroke Problems

A few common problems on the 3 liter Ford Power Stroke engine include:

• Crankshaft Bearings
• EGR
• DPF
• EGT Sensors

DPF are a ball ache, Egr's are problematic on many vehicles. Other 2 reasons might be more of an issue.

[hein100]

Wel ek dink die die Ford was R100k goedkoper toe hulle nuut gekoop was in 2019.

Gaan vir my oor as 630 000 vir n kar met 140 000km op en 3 jaar oud is vir jou cheap is, wel vir my is dit nie goedkoop nie.

[Cobus80]

Like I said before aswell… I won’t be buying a Ford from VW…

They may as well have just stopped trying to sell the Amarok all together and call it day. IMHO.

These butcher jobs never turn out well. There are a number of these rebranded things available for sale but you will rarely see one of the knockoff versions. The originals seem to do well on the other hand…

[Mal Hannes]

South africa Market of Amaroks is irrelevant to VWAG.

I think south America sells more Amaroks in a day than Africa does in a year.

There the ranger and Amarok does not go head to head.

Its a global decision that we will measure on global scale.

Does anybody have global amarok sales for any month id like to compare pre covid Amarok with 2023 sales.

Then we can see did VW mess up.

I agree in South Africa it wont work.

[Hedgehog]

Like I said before aswell… I won’t be buying a Ford from VW…

They may as well have just stopped trying to sell the Amarok all together and call it day. IMHO.

These butcher jobs never turn out well. There are a number of these rebranded things available for sale but you will rarely see one of the knockoff versions. The originals seem to do well on the other hand…

If you only knew how many vehicles are actually shared platforms/engines/chassis/whatever

By your Forum name I deduct you are a Toyota guy..

How many Toyota’s sold here are actually Toyotas?

[Francois111]

Gaan vir my oor as 630 000 vir n kar met 140 000km op en 3 jaar oud is vir jou cheap is, wel vir my is dit nie goedkoop nie.

Daarmee stem ek 100% saam, het jou dan
Misverstaan.

[hein100]

If you only knew how many vehicles are actually shared platforms/engines/chassis/whatever

By your Forum name I deduct you are a Toyota guy..

How many Toyota’s sold here are actually Toyotas?

Driving VW V6

[HannoK]

South africa Market of Amaroks is irrelevant to VWAG.

I think south America sells more Amaroks in a day than Africa does in a year.

There the ranger and Amarok does not go head to head.

Its a global decision that we will measure on global scale.

Does anybody have global amarok sales for any month id like to compare pre covid Amarok with 2023 sales.

Then we can see did VW mess up.

I agree in South Africa it wont work.

We will have to see, time will tell. The Merc and Navara venture was also a global decision that backfired spectacularly! Globally. No just in SA.

VW and Merc are big brands established over many years. Their loyal customers don't want another brand with just a badge on.
Volkswagen tried it before with the Hilux and it didn't work. Now they are doing it again!
If they shared platforms but kept their own engines and drive trains it could have worked. But the plan for this one.. Nah it will backfire too I reckon.