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    Default New Defender : Can it be used for Overlanding?

    For a bit of fun I’ve started a series to cover this topic. I know I’ve argued with myself on this topic and I’ve been both positive and negative about the new Defender.

    So please don’t expect anything professional but please let me know what you think and let me have your comments related to the topic. Also if you want me to cover anything please let me know that too.

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    Default Re: New Defender : Can it be used for Overlanding?

    Bruce, I recently discovered your IG account. A lot of inspiration for an oke like me with a landy that spends most of it's time in the garage.

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    Default Re: New Defender : Can it be used for Overlanding?

    Thank you. Still trying to learn all this Social media stuff ��.

    I’m no Landy expert but if you need some help or possibly advice you are welcome to contact me any time and I will try and help.

    Thank you for your support
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    Default Re: New Defender : Can it be used for Overlanding?

    A great presentation Bruce. That first turn of the key or pushbutton in a new car is really something to look forward to.

    I have over the last 15 years lived on a farm off Sappi forest roads and our biggest challenge is the splinters from poles falling off the trucks. I have stayed away from Air suspension for that reason. I am informed that the new LND has an upgraded material that is more resistant to puncturing from splinters being thrown up. We also have a problem with vehicles with 20 inch wheels with tyres without sufficient cushioning due to height of side walls. We have some very challenging gravel roads to say the least.

    I am sure you will cover these challenges as your thread develops.

    I prefer the idea of a good tag along trailer as opposed to overloading the vehicle.

    This thread has a refreshing feel to it and I hope we concentrate on confirming the TITLE you have given to the thread and not deviate too much.

    Well done with the start up and good fortune forward.
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    Default Re: New Defender : Can it be used for Overlanding?

    Thank you ver much MikevR.

    I do know the air bags have been improved with stronger "more puncture resistant material", but I have never heard of one being punctured. I have heard of air lines failing and pumps overheating though. Will do a bit of research and add it to the "agenda". Thank you for that suggestion. Its a great one.

    As for the thread remaining on topic, I know some people are very passionate about the Defender brand and some others seem to like to slate the LR brand as a whole. I am expecting it to happen here too which is fine, as long as it remains respectful. Im sure the mods will watch out for that.

    I am hoping to prove some of the nay sayers wrong with real use during "overlanding". Also, if I wanted to do things like rock crawling and 4x4 tracks I would have bought a different vehicle, not that this one can't do it but there are better, cheaper options to do that, so lets try keep this related to mr average use - overloading, towing etc...........



    So I ask anyone replying, please use real experience and not just hearsay or speculation. So for example, using MikevR's example of airbags, don't claim they fail all the time because they don't. On 4 vehicles I have had they have never failed and I can show you many examples of coil springs and leaf springs also failing.

    Anyway, looking forward to some constructive criticism and suggestions.

    Thank you.
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    Just watched No Time to Die - after seeing what they did to the Defenders there - it just may do it.
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    I spent the weekend in a ND as a passenger and really enjoyed it. We did a mix of freeway and gravel, with a splash of off-road and I was very impressed. But I kept on worrying about those low profiles. I think it would drive me scatty on a longer trip.

    Are you going with the mag wheels or the steelies Bruce?

    Either way, have fun and enjoy.

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    Default Re: New Defender : Can it be used for Overlanding?

    Quote Originally Posted by BruceT View Post
    For a bit of fun Iíve started a series to cover this topic. I know Iíve argued with myself on this topic and Iíve been both positive and negative about the new Defender.

    So please donít expect anything professional but please let me know what you think and let me have your comments related to the topic. Also if you want me to cover anything please let me know that too.

    Episode 1:
    New Defender - Can it be used for Overland Travel? Episode 1
    https://youtu.be/G5CP9O1gjWU
    Bruce ek het ook gister aand na jou episode gekyk en ja kan nie wag om te sien wat hier uitkom nie ek persoonlik dink die nuwe Defender gaan n puik overland voertuig wees en ja die een wat jy gery het of nog het wat ons in jou blog sien is en bly n legend van n voertuig sien uit na jou opvolg episodes rondom jou nuwe Defender groete Shaun

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobH View Post
    I spent the weekend in a ND as a passenger and really enjoyed it. We did a mix of freeway and gravel, with a splash of off-road and I was very impressed. But I kept on worrying about those low profiles. I think it would drive me scatty on a longer trip.

    Are you going with the mag wheels or the steelies Bruce?

    Either way, have fun and enjoy.
    Hi Rob

    What tyres size was on this ND ?

    It is a real hassle but if 19Ē then the profile is sort-off OKÖ that said it is a pity that not all models can go to 18Ē rims.
    In Aus (of all places) guys are changing the rear brakes to fit 18Ē rims on the P400
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobH View Post
    I spent the weekend in a ND as a passenger and really enjoyed it. We did a mix of freeway and gravel, with a splash of off-road and I was very impressed. But I kept on worrying about those low profiles. I think it would drive me scatty on a longer trip.

    Are you going with the mag wheels or the steelies Bruce?

    Either way, have fun and enjoy.
    Were they the Wranglers or the Michelin road tyres?

    No issues so far with my Wrangler 20". Will launch boat next week once weather improves and will post pics. I dont foresee any problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NvD42 View Post
    Hi Rob

    What tyres size was on this ND ?
    20 inch. He was on highway tyres, but whether on HT or AT that is not a good size for touring. I'm interested to see how Bruce overcomes this.

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    There's an American chap, Steven Firth (I think) who overlands in Canada with this ND. He was the first to take an L663 into the Arctic Circle.

    I will post his videos here if I find them again.

    EDIT: it seems he got rid of it due to a fault that LR could not fix, and is now in a D5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orxy View Post
    There's an American chap, Steven Firth (I think) who overlands in remote Alaska with this ND.

    I will post his videos here if I find them again.
    He had so many issues with his P400 that he sold it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobH View Post
    20 inch. He was on highway tyres, but whether on HT or AT that is not a good size for touring. I'm interested to see how Bruce overcomes this.
    Why not? I have done over 2600km's on good and bad dirt roads, offroad trails with lots of rocks, towing my BL etc., on the beach at 1.5b and no issues.

    They are not better than a 17" pr 18" of course but absolutely more than capable for 90% of applications.
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    I think what is important to note is it is OK to drive around on 20in rims with low profile tyres if you are near towns etc, but for overlanding and you are deep in the bush- I would not go for less than 65% of width of tyre height between rim and road. I would be happy with the 19 - 155x,65. By the way what models cannot take an 18 inch Rim and what max width of tyre for fender arch.

    This challenge relates to most vehicle that run 20 inch with low profile tyres. I have been through having to change to 18's as our gravel and farm roads are no 20's friendly at all. Driving on tar and the beach would be fine.

    This thread is all about making a vehicle stand up to the rigors of bush - travel, and overlanding to off the beaten track. By the way I would not take 20's into the Richtersveld or along the Binga to Karoi gravel road.
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    Default Re: New Defender : Can it be used for Overlanding?

    thanks all for the replies.

    I did agree on the 20 inch rims being a concern but I maybe changing my mind about that after parking next to a 4x4 bakkie, and comparing the profiles. They are not much different.

    My original plan was to buy a set of the 18inch steel rims or compromotives and fit mud terrain tyres to them for the heavier off road trips but now im not sure. Still busy looking at all the options.



    Please remember this will be a touring vehicle. it will do everything from tar to desert and everything in between. I may do some 4x4 tracks in it like Hennop's but that will be very very seldom as its not really my thing. I would have bought another vehicle for that.

    I would also be interested what you consider "overlanding" is.

    thank you for all the input so far.


    Does anyone know of a modified New Defender in GP by any chance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orxy View Post
    There's an American chap, Steven Firth (I think) who overlands in Canada with this ND. He was the first to take an L663 into the Arctic Circle.

    I will post his videos here if I find them again.

    EDIT: it seems he got rid of it due to a fault that LR could not fix, and is now in a D5.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/shedlock2000/videos

    https://www.instagram.com/shedlocktwothousand/


    What worries me is the amount of long term reviews
    Where they all of a sudden have a brand new one and then state it is because their was major issues that could not be fixed
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikevR View Post
    I think what is important to note is it is OK to drive around on 20in rims with low profile tyres if you are near towns etc, but for overlanding and you are deep in the bush- I would not go for less than 65% of width of tyre height between rim and road. I would be happy with the 19 - 155x,65. By the way what models cannot take an 18 inch Rim and what max width of tyre for fender arch.

    This challenge relates to most vehicle that run 20 inch with low profile tyres. I have been through having to change to 18's as our gravel and farm roads are no 20's friendly at all. Driving on tar and the beach would be fine.

    This thread is all about making a vehicle stand up to the rigors of bush - travel, and overlanding to off the beaten track. By the way I would not take 20's into the Richtersveld or along the Binga to Karoi gravel road.
    I think your 65 depends allot
    You are saying you would be happy with 155x65 R19
    because it has 65 sidewall

    But as example I drive with 60 sidewall full tire spec is 225/60R17's
    This tire has 32.5% larger sidewall than the 155/65R19 tire
    And the 225/55R19 tire has 22.5% larger sidewall

    Do not get me wrong I agree for same size tire 65+ sidewall is better
    But sidewall % is not everything on its own
    And 155 tires is biscuits these days but can work in bad mud
    (did you mean to post 255/65R19's?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veneficus View Post
    What worries me is the amount of long term reviews
    Where they all of a sudden have a brand new one and then state it is because their was major issues that could not be fixed
    How many?

    These posts are so one sided as there are always reports of problems more than guys who are happy. Like this forum people basically report faults and issues way more than I have no issues. This goes for all brands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veneficus View Post
    I think your 65 depends allot
    You are saying you would be happy with 155x65 R19
    because it has 65 sidewall

    But as example I drive with 60 sidewall full tire spec is 225/60R17's
    This tire has 32.5% larger sidewall than the 155/65R19 tire
    And the 225/55R19 tire has 22.5% larger sidewall

    Do not get me wrong I agree for same size tire 65+ sidewall is better
    But sidewall % is not everything on its own
    And 155 tires is biscuits these days but can work in bad mud
    (did you mean to post 255/65R19's?)
    My Defender has 255/60/20. Even my D4 that originally had a 55 profile was no issue for normal use.

    Obviously certain roads eat tyres more than others.

    What is the definition of low profile relative to width and diameter?
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