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    Prior to doing a recent trip into Botswana I replaced 3 tyres on my Suzuki Grand Vitara due to them having reasonable wear but also because two has plugs and a third one I found 4 very small and slow leaks (I guess from thorns) when I checked it out in my swimming pool .

    Now that I am back I see that I still have leaks in three tyres (the old and new ones). One has a fair sized thorn in the sidewall but I don't see that as being dangerous.

    They are HT tyres but now I am a bit gatvol of dishing out money on tyres. So my question is, can I safely get tubes fitted without compromising on safety? Visually they are all in prefect condition with about 8000km of wear.

    Thanks.

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    Why don't you have it fixed with patches?
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    The valve of a tube will not seal. Therefore if you get even a small puncture, the tyre will go flat in a very short time. This is why tubeless is a lot safer, it keeps pressure even after a largish puncture. So the risk is that with a tube you are more likely to suddenly land on the rim and lose control of the car.

    I wouldn't do it.


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    ...and repairing a puncture is double the work.
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    The plugs you have will work their way through the tubes.

    Don't do it.
    Plugs, gaters or new tyres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiceman View Post
    Why don't you have it fixed with patches?
    Do you mean plugs or patches?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4ePajero View Post
    The plugs you have will work their way through the tubes.

    Don't do it.
    Plugs, gaters or new tyres.
    That's what I was worried about....

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    Tubes in tubeless tyres dont work either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killarneyracer View Post
    Do you mean plugs or patches?
    Patches. I have used a tyre place here in Hermanstad often. They know how to patch tyres with patches, not gators. Even on shoulders and side walls. Gators are used in tube tyres where large holes occured.
    I hate mushroom plugs. Probably because very few "tyre technicians" know how to properly install them.
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    Tyre place in Kwt won't use plugs as they say that if it fails or vehicle has a blow out,they will be held accountable,hence they use a patch inside the tyre casing.
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    I use Tyre Shield. Add it to the new tyre when fitting and forget about it.

    It will seal a hole punched through a tyre by an object up to 6mm in diameter.

    It will even seal the bead area around the rim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiceman View Post
    Patches. I have used a tyre place here in Hermanstad often. They know how to patch tyres with patches, not gators. Even on shoulders and side walls. Gators are used in tube tyres where large holes occured.
    I hate mushroom plugs. Probably because very few "tyre technicians" know how to properly install them.
    Please name the place. I am from Pta North area and will support them from time to time.

    I damaged a BFG Mud in Botswana. We put a patch on the inside and a tube which barely lasted 800km before it went flat for no obvious reason. So yes, tubes in a tubeless tyre don't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierredW View Post
    Please name the place. I am from Pta North area and will support them from time to time.

    I damaged a BFG Mud in Botswana. We put a patch on the inside and a tube which barely lasted 800km before it went flat for no obvious reason. So yes, tubes in a tubeless tyre don't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killarneyracer View Post
    Hi All

    Prior to doing a recent trip into Botswana I replaced 3 tyres on my Suzuki Grand Vitara due to them having reasonable wear but also because two has plugs and a third one I found 4 very small and slow leaks (I guess from thorns) when I checked it out in my swimming pool .

    Now that I am back I see that I still have leaks in three tyres (the old and new ones). One has a fair sized thorn in the sidewall but I don't see that as being dangerous.

    They are HT tyres but now I am a bit gatvol of dishing out money on tyres. So my question is, can I safely get tubes fitted without compromising on safety? Visually they are all in prefect condition with about 8000km of wear.

    Thanks.
    EDIT: Added to the above, in two of my three tyres I cannot detect where the leak/s are. I suspect the valve in one but nothing shows when immersing in water. So this becomes difficult to sort out, especially when it is a slow leak taking a few days to deflate the tyres. Quite frustrating......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killarneyracer View Post
    EDIT: Added to the above, in two of my three tyres I cannot detect where the leak/s are. I suspect the valve in one but nothing shows when immersing in water. So this becomes difficult to sort out, especially when it is a slow leak taking a few days to deflate the tyres. Quite frustrating......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiceman View Post
    Old Tyre Africa. Van der Hoffweg. I think its called Best Tyre now.
    390 Van Der Hoff Rd, Hermanstad, Pretoria, 0082
    Thanks a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghouwens View Post
    I use Tyre Shield. Add it to the new tyre when fitting and forget about it.

    It will seal a hole punched through a tyre by an object up to 6mm in diameter.

    It will even seal the bead area around the rim.
    Slight hijack, but maybe of relevance

    How does this work, or impact when you need to deflate and/or inflate the tyres.
    When deflating does it see the valve as a leak?
    Does it set at the beginning and form a type of permatube?

    lastly, where do you buy it?

    Thx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killarneyracer View Post
    Hi All

    Prior to doing a recent trip into Botswana I replaced 3 tyres on my Suzuki Grand Vitara due to them having reasonable wear but also because two has plugs and a third one I found 4 very small and slow leaks (I guess from thorns) when I checked it out in my swimming pool .

    Now that I am back I see that I still have leaks in three tyres (the old and new ones). One has a fair sized thorn in the sidewall but I don't see that as being dangerous.

    They are HT tyres but now I am a bit gatvol of dishing out money on tyres. So my question is, can I safely get tubes fitted without compromising on safety? Visually they are all in prefect condition with about 8000km of wear.

    Thanks.
    For all the reasons given, I wouldn't use tubes inside tubeless tyres. Maybe on a farm vehicle or for low-speed off-road use only, or to get out of a bad spot, but I would be very worried at speed, on tar and especially with a load or a top-heavy vehicle

    I have been to places (Paraguay) where it is common to run tubes inside tubeless tyres, but the roads are terrible and speeds very low. There also seems to be a repair guy every 5km or so. My own SA experience with tubes in actual tube tyres (Super All Grips) was not great - I had frequent tube failures (often resulting in destruction of the tyre) due to faulty tubes and/or fitting

    There are sealants available that don't mess with the pressure sensors (if fitted) and also don't ruin the tyre for subsequent repair

    https://ultraseal.com/
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    I have seen the damage, in the form of serious rust caused by tyre sealants to steel rims and will not use any sealant. I have no idea what it will to do alloy wheels.

    Patch on the inside, or replace. No tubes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawieL View Post
    I have seen the damage, in the form of serious rust caused by tyre sealants to steel rims and will not use any sealant. I have no idea what it will to do alloy wheels.

    Patch on the inside, or replace. No tubes.

    According to Ultraseal - who sell into commercial fleet users

    Will Ultrasel corrode rims?

    No!
    Ultraseal contains an environmentally friendly, advanced proprietary rust and corrosion inhibiting system designed to continuously block their formation. Ultraseal cannot eliminate existing rust or corrosion, but will arrest and impede any additional progression.

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