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    Default Is there a Chinese vehicle in your future?

    Never say never.

    With most manufacturers declaring that by 2030 all vehicles in their line-up will be all electric only and Audi claiming the same by 2026, I was starting to get depressed. I'm just not yet ready for an all electric vehicle (EV), hybrids maybe, but not full on EV. However, then I remembered that the Chinese are always eager to exploit a niche and don't seem to care much about anyone's environment ecologically or their our lack of grid electricity.

    Check out the Haval Jolion by an ex-Land Rover designer. Car magazine has just rated it above their previous choice for this sector. You should see the features list.

    What's next, driverless cars?
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    Default Re: Is there a Chinese vehicle in your future?

    There are 2 Facebooks groups of note regarding this brand. The one, Haval must rise, appears to be driven by sales reps etc. The second, Haval SA must fall, appears to be driven by disgruntled vehicle owners. I don't think I am ready to own one, ever. Sorry
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    Default Re: Is there a Chinese vehicle in your future?

    If they keep an upward trajectory in terms of quality, reliability and competitive pricing - why not?
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    Default Re: Is there a Chinese vehicle in your future?

    I almost always buy 10 year old cars, so I should be good until about 2040 😂

    I have heard good things about Haval, but I don't think I am ready yet...

    I am very worried about China taking over the world but I almost feel we have gone too far already, so not sure what can be done about it.


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    Default Re: Is there a Chinese vehicle in your future?

    Chinese will not be on the radar for the wannabe rich people in SA...BMW & MB will stay vehicles of choice....
    (Not talking about the ones that go for the super cars...)

    The SA middle class will have no choice as to go for these Chinese offerings which offers so much more in spec than the basic Euro and Jap offerings in same price class.

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    Default Re: Is there a Chinese vehicle in your future?

    Their prices won't be that affordable for much longer. Look at the h1 already jumping by over 50k from launch.

    Hyundai also came in with cheaper cars, now they are also fairly expensive, even kia is getting expensive.

    Personally, for a sedan I'd stick to an older BMW, and for a off road vehicle they just don't have anything that I want. The H9 is nice but for that money I'd buy a second hand range rover.

    And we'll see how much the Chinese cars start costing when they are 10 years old. A friend of mine complained about the suspension on a h1 being pricey and painful to get replaced.
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    Default Re: Is there a Chinese vehicle in your future?

    I took the leap with a Chinese car and enjoying it so far. I put in all my wants in the search criteria of the used car search engine, put a price limit, and only this Haval thing popped up. I just couldn't find a good justification why I should not go for the car with the price after checking China, Russia, Australia reviews and forums.
    Every brand has their Facebook hater group.

    As far as I know Haval (and China) is quite emission driven aiming at only petrol and Hybrid for the future, and why they don't have diesel in their range.
    Dont take anything I say as actual advice or fact. I dont.

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    Default Re: Is there a Chinese vehicle in your future?

    The Chinese are great mimics.

    The Russians built Concordski but couldnt "mimic" some critical aerodynamic principles of Concorde.

    So, imo, they might look like they are there but might not be inherently.

    An Indian vehicle, now thats a different proposition.
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    Default Re: Is there a Chinese vehicle in your future?

    I say NEVER EVER !!!


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    Default Re: Is there a Chinese vehicle in your future?

    Just been researching on Havaal H2 4x4.

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    Default Re: Is there a Chinese vehicle in your future?

    The Chinese vehicles we get here are not a representation of what Chinese manufacturers have been capable of. They are employing some of the best minds in the business and putting out ICE and EV cars which rival the best out there. A quick search on youtube will give you an idea. Their self driving technology is close to Tesla's... Only a matter of time before we trust them and love them like Hyundai and KIA

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    Default Re: Is there a Chinese vehicle in your future?

    Quote Originally Posted by PsyPhin View Post
    I took the leap with a Chinese car and enjoying it so far. I put in all my wants in the search criteria of the used car search engine, put a price limit, and only this Haval thing popped up. I just couldn't find a good justification why I should not go for the car with the price after checking China, Russia, Australia reviews and forums.
    Every brand has their Facebook hater group.

    As far as I know Haval (and China) is quite emission driven aiming at only petrol and Hybrid for the future, and why they don't have diesel in their range.
    I have nothing against Haval or your choice of driving a Haval, as mentioned before I have heard plenty of good things. But "China" (as in the totalitarian capitalist-communist dictatorship) is not in the least bit concerned with the environment or human life in general, so I have to strongly disagree. I agree with Estee when he says they are great at mimicking (and I know when you generalise you are on shaky ground), the appearance is there for the media but the truth is far more sinister. Just take a look at the scores of Chinese deals in Africa where resources is traded for "infrastructure" that only lasts as long as it takes to get the resources out. This is probably outside of the scope of this discussion...


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    Default Re: Is there a Chinese vehicle in your future?

    Don't think I will ever see a battery driven plaas bakkie or drive one myself. I don't have electicity in the farm so how will the battery get charged.
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    Default Re: Is there a Chinese vehicle in your future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Estee View Post
    The Chinese are great mimics.

    The Russians built Concordski but couldnt "mimic" some critical aerodynamic principles of Concorde.

    So, imo, they might look like they are there but might not be inherently.

    An Indian vehicle, now thats a different proposition.
    And, oh dear me, for someone who makes a living analyzing situations, you are in for a BIG BIG BEEEG awakening.

    VERY BEEG.

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    Implementation is a commercial thing, and right now they hold the trump cards.
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    Default Re: Is there a Chinese vehicle in your future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tweeling View Post
    Don't think I will ever see a battery driven plaas bakkie or drive one myself. I don't have electicity in the farm so how will the battery get charged.
    With Chinese Solar Panels with Chinese Charge Controllers and Batteries. Of this I have NO DOUBT.

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    Default Re: Is there a Chinese vehicle in your future?

    Anyone who drives a modern Volvo…. drives a Chinese vehicle. Volvo is owned by Geely

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    Default Re: Is there a Chinese vehicle in your future?

    Buy Chinese?

    Of course. Put me on the waiting list for a ChangLi, especially the redesigned 2021 model.

    If that doesn't work out the backup plan is to fit Tesla batteries to the Series Land Rover.

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    Default Re: Is there a Chinese vehicle in your future?

    Quote Originally Posted by MysteriousEngine View Post
    Buy Chinese?

    Of course. Put me on the waiting list for a ChangLi, especially the redesigned 2021 model.

    If that doesn't work out the backup plan is to fit Tesla batteries to the Series Land Rover.

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    Default Re: Is there a Chinese vehicle in your future?

    Very funny people on this forum. "Don't support the Chinese economy, don't buy Chinese"? Too late.
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    Default Re: Is there a Chinese vehicle in your future?

    Quote Originally Posted by MysteriousEngine View Post
    Buy Chinese?

    Of course. Put me on the waiting list for a ChangLi, especially the redesigned 2021 model.

    If that doesn't work out the backup plan is to fit Tesla batteries to the Series Land Rover.

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