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    Default Grand Cherokee Diesel

    Hi Guys. So it's been a while since I posted on the forum, things have been hectic.

    I have a quick one for you guys. Would it be a risky move to buy a 2013 GC 3.0 Crd with 202 000 km on the clock. Overland spec.

    What would be major things to worry about?

    Also, it would be sigth unseen. I'm not worried about the dealer, they seem very reputable.

    I love the little freelander, but it's getting a bit small.
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    High mileage VM Motori TDV6? What could POSSIBLY go wrong?

    Buy the Pentastar 3.6p model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    High mileage VM Motori TDV6? What could POSSIBLY go wrong?
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    Speaking from experience.

    Firstly the suspension on 200k km is probable shot and you would look at replacing that soon, one of my concerns as im on 110k km this is for the Oveland spec Diesel and Petrol..

    Diesel
    The injectors will be an issue shortly and its eina expensive.
    Maintenance much more expensive than Petrol.

    From Buli the last time we chat the money you save at the pump is the money you will spend at him on maintenance.

    He suggested rather take the V8 Hemi over the CRD.

    I would even go that far and suggest the Hemi over the Pentastar. Been seeing more and more Pentastar engines with issues and guys complaining that it just doesnt have the oempf they expected!

    I absolutely love the Diesels, towing is an absolute dream with these with the auto leveling. and with the Active adaptive cruise control its an absolute joy to drive long roads!

    I dont think the VM diesel is that bad as everyone say and with proper hands on maintenance and a good indy in your corner it will last a longtime, touch wood!

    But then again to each his own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HansieK View Post
    Speaking from experience.

    Firstly the suspension on 200k km is probable shot and you would look at replacing that soon, one of my concerns as im on 110k km this is for the Oveland spec Diesel and Petrol..

    Diesel
    The injectors will be an issue shortly and its eina expensive.
    Maintenance much more expensive than Petrol.

    From Buli the last time we chat the money you save at the pump is the money you will spend at him on maintenance.

    He suggested rather take the V8 Hemi over the CRD.

    I would even go that far and suggest the Hemi over the Pentastar. Been seeing more and more Pentastar engines with issues and guys complaining that it just doesnt have the oempf they expected!

    I absolutely love the Diesels, towing is an absolute dream with these with the auto leveling. and with the Active adaptive cruise control its an absolute joy to drive long roads!

    I dont think the VM diesel is that bad as everyone say and with proper hands on maintenance and a good indy in your corner it will last a longtime, touch wood!

    But then again to each his own.
    The 3.6's are plentiful in the second-hand market, whereas the 5.7 is very very scarce. Same goes for the diesels - not many on the market due to its discontinuation a year or two ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HansieK View Post

    Been seeing more and more Pentastar engines with issues and guys complaining that it just doesnt have the oempf they expected!
    I'm sorry but what issues? And that engine is better than the Toyota 4.0 V6 1GR-FE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    I'm sorry but what issues? And that engine is better than the Toyota 4.0 V6 1GR-FE.
    Dear Jelo,

    I'm not going to get into an argument with you as countless others have before with you dishing crd's just because you love your 3.6 and a few guys on the forum with blown 2.8 crd vm motors.

    Please go search

    Left cylinder head - recalled
    Rocker arm failure
    oil pump failure
    water pump - recalled
    on the pentastar

    I had almost instant regrets mentioning the pentastar as I knew you would jump up and down behind your keyboard reading anything bad about a pentastar!
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    The GC is a very smooth and luxurious Jeep. Buying it unseen hence undriven at that mileage you run the risk of starting to chase your very expensive tail on the suspension to get it back prestine condition. I was relatively lucky on mine, but I'm probably in for a replacement lower control arm which is R12k before Vat and installation. A set of rear shocks alone is R10k installed..

    Don't compare the V6 diesel with the 2.8 CRD!

    If I'd buy again I would definitely look for the 5.7 again!


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    Quote Originally Posted by HansieK View Post
    Dear Jelo,

    I'm not going to get into an argument with you as countless others have before with you dishing crd's just because you love your 3.6 and a few guys on the forum with blown 2.8 crd vm motors.

    Please go search

    Left cylinder head - recalled
    Rocker arm failure
    oil pump failure
    water pump - recalled
    on the pentastar

    I had almost instant regrets mentioning the pentastar as I knew you would jump up and down behind your keyboard reading anything bad about a pentastar!
    I was wondering if you had any facts. Sadly it appears not.
    The recalls were all 2012/early 2013 models as you should well know.
    I'll go talk to Bulli and Eben.

    As for the VMM CRD: not one owner on this forum has had a blown Penta. But we know of dozens of blown 2.8 CRDs.
    Maybe VMM got it right with the TDV6: maybe, but even Bulli has said it is risky at that mileage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HansieK View Post
    Speaking from experience.

    Firstly the suspension on 200k km is probable shot and you would look at replacing that soon, one of my concerns as im on 110k km this is for the Oveland spec Diesel and Petrol..

    Diesel
    The injectors will be an issue shortly and its eina expensive.
    Maintenance much more expensive than Petrol.

    From Buli the last time we chat the money you save at the pump is the money you will spend at him on maintenance.

    He suggested rather take the V8 Hemi over the CRD.

    I would even go that far and suggest the Hemi over the Pentastar. Been seeing more and more Pentastar engines with issues and guys complaining that it just doesnt have the oempf they expected!

    I absolutely love the Diesels, towing is an absolute dream with these with the auto leveling. and with the Active adaptive cruise control its an absolute joy to drive long roads!

    I dont think the VM diesel is that bad as everyone say and with proper hands on maintenance and a good indy in your corner it will last a longtime, touch wood!

    But then again to each his own.
    Thanks for the informative post.

    I think though the general consensus is that it will be risky, and growing a bit older and wiser I have become a bit more risk adverse.

    I don't particularly want to be spending another 50 to 100 k on repairs maintenance currently.
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    Why don't you look at the WK? 2006-2010. If you take a bit of time you will find a good one with less mileage and much lower price. Then you can have a Mercedes Benz diesel instead of VM.
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    Not what you're considering, but see my signature

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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    I'm sorry but what issues? And that engine is better than the Toyota 4.0 V6 1GR-FE.
    We need statistics and studies linked with such statement jelo

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizardalpha View Post
    Thanks for the informative post.

    I think though the general consensus is that it will be risky, and growing a bit older and wiser I have become a bit more risk adverse.

    I don't particularly want to be spending another 50 to 100 k on repairs maintenance currently.
    OP you will be fine! You already own a Land Rover and BMW product, the Jeep will be the most reliable in the fleet.

    PS Just pulling you leg sir

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schambies View Post
    OP you will be fine! You already own a Land Rover and BMW product, the Jeep will be the most reliable in the fleet.

    PS Just pulling you leg sir

    Hahaha, yeah, I also owned a Disco 3 TDV6 at some point .

    I decided to rather pull out of the deal, perhaps I'll look at the 3.6 Petrol, but the suspension issues is a bit of a worry to be honest. Heck, if I want a problematic car, I might as well buy a Disco again, at least I have been through the issues they give (except the dreaded crank).

    On a serious note though, those Jeeps are amazing cars, I test drove one and practically fell in love with it immediately. For now though, just gonna keep on checking the classifieds till I see another very attractive deal. The Jeep I was looking at was selling for a very good price compared to others, and it looked to be in really good nick, and the dealership has an outstanding rating, so I doubt they sell already broken cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cainslie View Post
    Not what you're considering, but see my signature
    I sincerely hope you are not talking about the Hilux, life is boring enough without driving a Toyota
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pieter van Eeden View Post
    Why don't you look at the WK? 2006-2010. If you take a bit of time you will find a good one with less mileage and much lower price. Then you can have a Mercedes Benz diesel instead of VM.
    At one stage I was looking at them, but I'm not the biggest fan of the shape, I really like the shape of the WK2. Also, the beamer might get upset if I park a merc engine next to it you know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizardalpha View Post
    I sincerely hope you are not talking about the Hilux, life is boring enough without driving a Toyota
    Haha, no.

    That WJ of mine was such a pleasure to drive - those few months that it actually worked.

    Then it caught fire.

    Certainly less boring than a Toyota!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizardalpha View Post
    Hahaha, yeah, I also owned a Disco 3 TDV6 at some point .

    I decided to rather pull out of the deal, perhaps I'll look at the 3.6 Petrol, but the suspension issues is a bit of a worry to be honest. Heck, if I want a problematic car, I might as well buy a Disco again, at least I have been through the issues they give (except the dreaded crank).

    On a serious note though, those Jeeps are amazing cars, I test drove one and practically fell in love with it immediately. For now though, just gonna keep on checking the classifieds till I see another very attractive deal. The Jeep I was looking at was selling for a very good price compared to others, and it looked to be in really good nick, and the dealership has an outstanding rating, so I doubt they sell already broken cars.
    Bulli has a 2015 3.6 Summit for sale. Very low km's and all niggles sorted.

    Might be more than you budgeted for, but it is a magnificent vehicle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Schambies View Post
    We need statistics and studies linked with such statement jelo
    Ag why? Hansie doesn't offer any for his.
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