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    Default Need advice please. 4x4 buying guide

    Hi ouens

    newly joined this community especially to ask this question:

    I have been owning a hatchback all my life. I am looking to buy a 4x4 to explore South Africa and Namibie. My plan is to re-sell it within a year and a half. As I am planning to move abroad and want to see a couple of must see places in SA before I do so (that is if things work out). Hence I am looking for an affordable 4x4 that has a good re-sale.

    I do not plan to do extreme 4x4'ing it is just so I dont get stuck in the sand (Mozam/Nam) or mud should I encounter such a terrain. I do not plan on 4x4'ing these highly technical routes.

    My budget is 200k but can push to 250k

    I was looking at the Fortuner 4x4 3.0 D4D? I would even get a bakkie but I prefer an SUV. I will not be fully utilizing the bak and that would be a shame.

    But now the thing is I dont know what to look out for as I have seen Fortuners for dirt cheap e.g. 80k kms for R185k? (2008 model) surely something must be wrong. But I do not have the expertise to identify whether it is a dut.

    Other examples I got was:
    • 100k kms for R185k (2010 model)
    • 125k kms for R200k (2011 model)
    • 108k kms for R195k (2010 model)

    All on Auto trader

    Are these realistic or scams, or possibly vehicles that were in accidents? or maybe require a major overhaul? How can I tell?

    Are there major differences in the year models e.g. How does a 2006 compare to a 2011?

    sorry guys I'm clueless with this. I trust you guys might be the best to recommend a 4x4 and what would be best.
    Looking foward to your response

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    Default Re: Need advice please. 4x4 buying guide

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie_wil_weet View Post
    I have seen Fortuners for dirt cheap e.g. 80k kms for R185k? (2008 model) surely something must be wrong. But I do not have the expertise to identify whether it is a dut.
    Make sure the cheaper ones are 4x4. I really doubt it.

    Post some links to the ads.
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    Default Re: Need advice please. 4x4 buying guide

    Also, LOTS of people are changing the odo to show lower mileage.

    ALWAYS ask for a Full Service History. This will tell you two things:

    - the real mileage
    - the maintenance history

    A partial service history is acceptable if it logically matches the kilos and the yearly usage since the end of the service history: lots of people take their vehicle to independent service shops that almost never stamp the books unless asked.

    If there is no FSH, walk away.

    A 2008 vehicle with 80,000kms should have ZERO wear on components, seats and trim. Inspect seats, mats, steering wheels etc. 13 years of usage shows.
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    Default Re: Need advice please. 4x4 buying guide

    Hi Welcome,

    For what you are looking at I think you are looking at the correct brand because you need to be able to sell quick and not lose (few brands can compete with Toyota in that respect).

    Then this

    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Also, LOTS of people are changing the odo to show lower mileage.

    ALWAYS ask for a Full Service History. This will tell you two things:

    - the real mileage
    - the maintenance history

    A partial service history is acceptable if it logically matches the kilos and the yearly usage since the end of the service history: lots of people take their vehicle to independent service shops that almost never stamp the books unless asked.

    If there is no FSH, walk away.

    A 2008 vehicle with 80,000kms should have ZERO wear on components, seats and trim. Inspect seats, mats, steering wheels etc. 13 years of usage shows.
    There seems to be a number of unscrupulous "dealers" operating who are selling vehicles with the clock turned back for way less than what they should be sold for. Most of these are also likely accident damaged cars. Be very careful of those. I see these adds regularly, a recent 2018 odd model Pajero Sport one has been all over my suggested adds for the last 2 weeks (I'll post an example when I find another one).

    Enjoy exploring the incredible SADC regions (PS you may not want to leave after that )
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    Default Re: Need advice please. 4x4 buying guide

    At that price, you are looking at a second-hand vehicle that has already depreciated significantly.

    At this point, you don't in my opinion need to worry about which brands depreciate more slowly than others. If you look after it, you will get reasonably close to what you paid.

    Just my opinion.
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    Default Re: Need advice please. 4x4 buying guide

    The 3.0 D4D fortuner is a good option. For that budget you will be able to find a high km example. As mentioned above, a true 80k km 2011 example would sell in the region of R350k+. Those are fraudulent ads

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    Default Re: Need advice please. 4x4 buying guide

    important to find a trusted mechanic for the brand you buy and then spend the money to have it thoroughly checked . if the seller doesnt like that then move on . For example a mechanic i know takes the cover off the brake foot pedal to check if the metal underneath shows wear or not . Its easy to renew a cover but not so easy the brake pedal itself. If you see wear on the metal you know the cover was worn through at least once and that means high miler . Read the service book carefully , i have seen stamps with the same signature over a ten year period . Consider looking for overlander vehicles on facebook as well , there are some forums there specific to that . That way you may get a lot of camping goodies too .

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    Default Re: Need advice please. 4x4 buying guide

    I would also look at:

    Suzuki Vitara
    Nissan Navara /Pathfinder
    Nissan NP300
    Mitsubishi Pajero Sport
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    Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk (Ironman suit)
    Everest 2.2 XLS (Swambo’s mommy taxi)

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    Default Re: Need advice please. 4x4 buying guide

    Perfect choice of vehicle.


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    Default Re: Need advice please. 4x4 buying guide

    Very good choice of vehicle for the purpose, realistically think you are looking at 200k plus mileage for that price. With a fsh and if it wasn't abused should not be an issue. I prefer higher mileage well looked after vehicles over lower mileage suspect vehicles. Do plan on keeping about R50k in the kitty for potential repairs and/or kitting the vehicle for travel.

    A fallback, as mentioned, in that age and price category is the pajero sport. Usually slightly better value for money and quite capable.
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    Default Re: Need advice please. 4x4 buying guide

    Those places advertising the 'cheap' low mileage ones are all dodgy.
    Scroll even further down the autotrader or whatever page and see what reputable places (a toyota or similar name brand type place) are selling these fortuners at. You'll be shocked to see their real values!
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    Default Re: Need advice please. 4x4 buying guide

    Found that ad I was referring to in my earlier post.

    Now I could give the seller the benefit of the doubt and speculate that they will disclose details upon further inquiry, but from the vehicle description in the ad I have my doubts.

    https://www.cars.co.za/mobile/for-sa...SABEgJs1_D_BwE

    Perhaps this is an accident damaged car and it took some time to fix hence the low mileage, but if it's absolutely all above board then it's a massive steal at around R150k below similar models with more mileage.

    I would walk away immediately. Most of these "strange" ads are like this and while there aren't enough reviews on hello Peter some people agree.

    Hope your search is coming along

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    When looking at cars in general but specifically newer cars with lower mileage a very easy check to do is to request the service and repair history from the manufacturer using the VIN. They sometimes grumble about it but I have always been able to get the requested details. This is free, so do it for every car you are interested in.

    There are also websites that can do a background check on the VIN (at a cost) to see if it was ever repaired after a crash, written off (code 3) or reported stolen (among other details). Since this costs money perhaps only do this if you are set on a specific car and is about to conclude the deal.

    Non agent service history is not really traceable unless you phone the individual shop and they are good at record keeping, but generally you have to trust what is stamped in the book and if there are any invoices included.

    I would further add that for specialist vehicles I only trust specialists for servicing, there are just too many specifics for one guy to be able to service all cars and do it properly. Items like transmission oil, diff oil, power steering fluid, coolant etc. are often specific for specific vehicles and having either fluids mixed or replaced with the incorrect type/spec is a recipe for disaster.


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    Default Re: Need advice please. 4x4 buying guide

    Have you considered renting on an ad-hoc basis ?
    There are enough rental possibilities adequate for simple gravel road to fully equiped overlander/hard core off-roading

    1. You ll get new or very new equipment
    2. Reliability is not your issue (if you get a lemon , just get a new one)
    3. Maintenance/break down cost is not your problem
    4. Your existing hatchback has probably lower daily running cost
    5. No need to agonise and spend time finding the right car
    6. You may purchase a 4x4 with good resale value now. Even if you do not suffer accident or major mechanical issues, there is no guarantee of resale value when having to flog your car especially as departure date approaches

    I understand the emotional allure of ownership but renting can make economical sense. All depends on your risk appetite

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    Default Re: Need advice please. 4x4 buying guide

    If the photos are taken in the street and/or tye dealer is somewhere in JHB or Pta central, just walk away.
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    Default Re: Need advice please. 4x4 buying guide

    Would it not be better to look at a 4.0 V6 - less to go wrong?
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    Default Re: Need advice please. 4x4 buying guide

    If jou want to do dunes and it needs to be a SC none of the suggested vehicles would work

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    Default Re: Need advice please. 4x4 buying guide

    Maybe stretch your budget and have a look at a D4D 4x4 SC

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    Default Re: Need advice please. 4x4 buying guide

    Here are some links

    I prefer a manual but will settle for auto if the price is very attractive. Here is an example of what I mean
    https://www.autotrader.co.za/car-for...60=0&so=0&pl=0

    look at this one especially. This look like a very good deal? It says AA and Dekra certified with Full service history? Is it realistic?
    https://www.autotrader.co.za/car-for...60=0&so=0&pl=0

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    Default Re: Need advice please. 4x4 buying guide

    Thanx this is really some good advice!

    Is there a preferred site to use to check VIN nrs? I see Auto trader has one.

    Who would you regard as a specialist for services? Only Toyota? (Apologies I am useless with this)

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