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    Default A mountain bike - what makes it so expensive?

    A Cannondale carbon fibre frame mountain bike with decent components is priced well over R 100 000 - a product that will probably be obsolete in a few years because of lack of parts. (I have a 25 year old aluminium frame mountain bike for which parts are a big problem.)

    A new 300cc Honda CRF dual purpose motor cycle is priced below R 100 000 - a product that will give useful service for many years to come.

    Both can be classed as of the better ones.

    The second hand value of the motor cycle is very good, in relation to the second hand value of the mountain bike in question. In fact, it seems the latter depreciates at the rate that a rock falls, perhaps because financing on a second hand bicycle is uncommon?

    My question, what makes the bicycle's new price as well as replacement components so horrendously expensive?

    My only explanation is the "mine is bigger than yours" factor - "upmanship"?

    Please advise your thoughts.
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    Default Re: A mountain bike - what makes it so expensive?

    What makes it so expensive.......?

    The riders.........

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    Willing buyer / willing seller.........

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    Default Re: A mountain bike - what makes it so expensive?

    What makes it expensive?

    The CANONDALE sticker they put on.

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    Default Re: A mountain bike - what makes it so expensive?

    One is a top of the line mountain bike, where you pay for light weight. Its also in the region of prosumer /professional.

    The other is an relatively entry level motorbike.

    It's not really a fair comparison.

    You can get a perfectly serviceable Giant or Scott for 40K which will do everything the expensive one will do. Just as you can also spend R300 000 on a motorbike to do essentially the same as what the Honda will do.

    You can do the same comparison for just about anything.
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    Default Re: A mountain bike - what makes it so expensive?

    Peer pressure is a big motivator.

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    Default Re: A mountain bike - what makes it so expensive?

    the worst part is the running cost, excluding purchase price.

    If you do decent km's I did many years ago, I replaced my drive train basically annually sometimes a little more, and every now and then had a decent service done by the shop, i do all the usual stuff myself.

    It cost me more / km to trap my MTB than drive my 4.5 liter Land Cruiser, fuel and services included.
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    Default Re: A mountain bike - what makes it so expensive?

    You pay for it to be as light as possible to limit the amount of work you need too do so that you can use it to exercise your muscles by doing hard work.

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    Default Re: A mountain bike - what makes it so expensive?

    It is INSANE. But it is par for the course for hobby enthusiast stuff.

    They prey on the enthusiasm. Look at bicycle tools. How can a pressed flat steel spanner made in China cost twice as much as a machined SnapOn or Stahwile equivalent.

    Or a skinny plastic junk tyre as much as a proper car road tyre that has a 1000 times more material. Expensive material, and safety rated to high speeds with high loads.

    You can buy a decent second hand 4x4 for the price of a set of footpegs, or a bare wheel rim.
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    Default Re: A mountain bike - what makes it so expensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Poen View Post
    A Cannondale carbon fibre frame mountain bike with decent components is priced well over R 100 000 - a product that will probably be obsolete in a few years because of lack of parts. (I have a 25 year old aluminium frame mountain bike for which parts are a big problem.)

    A new 300cc Honda CRF dual purpose motor cycle is priced below R 100 000 - a product that will give useful service for many years to come.

    Both can be classed as of the better ones.

    The second hand value of the motor cycle is very good, in relation to the second hand value of the mountain bike in question. In fact, it seems the latter depreciates at the rate that a rock falls, perhaps because financing on a second hand bicycle is uncommon?

    My question, what makes the bicycle's new price as well as replacement components so horrendously expensive?

    My only explanation is the "mine is bigger than yours" factor - "upmanship"?

    Please advise your thoughts.
    You don't need a 100k mountain bike to ride, much like you don't need a 15k driver to hit a ball.

    What makes it expensive? Demand, probably, but the problem is with the component manufacturers and not the bike builders. Components are ridiculously expensive
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Peer pressure is a big motivator.

    BIKE SNOBS.

    My mate Gordon makes nice money out of the weekend warriors at the dam.
    Didn't you just have a rant on the other thread about people not telling you how to spend your money?
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    My BIL does a lot of MTB, in excess of 10 000km a year.

    He asked my wife about buying a new Scott or a second hand BMW 1200 GS, they cost the same. He bought the BMW..

    Tell me why a shock on a MTB cost more than a shock on my 2 ton Prado that can do 180km/h?

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    Default Re: A mountain bike - what makes it so expensive?

    That's why I go and buy a simple Raleigh with FRS, a cheap gel seat, and I know I can fix the derailleur at the nearest general bicycle shop.

    I weigh over 100kgs: why save 3kgs on the bicycle at a cost of R10k per kg? I should just lose weight........

    Posers.

    used to already see it YEARS ago when I was involved in weekend road cycling: fat dude pitches with his wizzy bike, all the branded clothing...........and finishes an hour behind me on my Makro 18 speed special.

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    Default Re: A mountain bike - what makes it so expensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dewald Posthumus View Post
    My BIL does a lot of MTB, in excess of 10 000km a year.

    He asked my wife about buying a new Scott or a second hand BMW 1200 GS, they cost the same. He bought the BMW..

    Tell me why a shock on a MTB cost more than a shock on my 2 ton Prado that can do 180km/h?
    What does an OME shock cost? How many do they sell PA? How much R&D goes into it?
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    Default Re: A mountain bike - what makes it so expensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quiksilver View Post
    Didn't you just have a rant on the other thread about people not telling you how to spend your money?
    Nah, that was Andrew bin Dustbin.........
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    Default Re: A mountain bike - what makes it so expensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    That's why I go and buy a simple Raleigh with FRS, a cheap gel seat, and I know I can fix the derailleur at the nearest general bicycle shop.

    I weigh over 100kgs: why save 3kgs on the bicycle at a cost of R10k per kg? I should just lose weight........

    Posers.

    used to already see it YEARS ago when I was involved in weekend road cycling: fat dude pitches with his wizzy bike, all the branded clothing...........and finishes an hour behind me on my Makro 18 speed special.

    Titanium and carbon fiber doesn't help if you aren't a top athlete, people.
    Bring your Raleigh to a proper trail or marathon event and we'll have a chat afterwards
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    Default Re: A mountain bike - what makes it so expensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quiksilver View Post
    One is a top of the line mountain bike, where you pay for light weight. Its also in the region of prosumer /professional.

    The other is an relatively entry level motorbike.

    It's not really a fair comparison.

    You can get a perfectly serviceable Giant or Scott for 40K which will do everything the expensive one will do. Just as you can also spend R300 000 on a motorbike to do essentially the same as what the Honda will do.

    You can do the same comparison for just about anything.
    You say 40k as if that's cheap

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    Default Re: A mountain bike - what makes it so expensive?

    MTB and bicycle prices in general are crazy. I started small and built my bike up by buying and selling secondhand components.

    I think the amount of R&D money spent on dropping a few grams off something that is already very light vs the units sold might contribute to the high prices. Also the manufacturing techniques used to save those extra grams might not be the most efficient in terms of cost. And then there is of course a big fat markup which is added by every set of hands it passes through before it reaches the end user, because everyone wants the best bike.
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    Default Re: A mountain bike - what makes it so expensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quiksilver View Post
    One is a top of the line mountain bike, where you pay for light weight. Its also in the region of prosumer /professional.

    The other is an relatively entry level motorbike.

    It's not really a fair comparison.

    You can get a perfectly serviceable Giant or Scott for 40K which will do everything the expensive one will do. Just as you can also spend R300 000 on a motorbike to do essentially the same as what the Honda will do.

    You can do the same comparison for just about anything.
    Nope, don't think so.

    He isn't comparing the consumer level, he is comparing the amount of engineering and material for the cost. It's much simpler to make a foot peg than cast an aluminium block and engineer a crankshaft. A footpeg can buy 5 engines.

    The ratio of Lamborghinis to Toyotas is not the same as the ratio of Giant to Specialized, Cannondale and Santa Cruz.

    Take a ride on a Sunday morning around Gordons Bay and see how you fit in on a Giant with Sportsmans Warehouse gear and clothing. If you settup isn't worth R200K you are an outcast.
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    Default Re: A mountain bike - what makes it so expensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Titanium and carbon fiber doesn't help if you aren't a top athlete, people.
    I have a carbon fibre mountain bike (It hasnt left the garage in probably three years now, but thats not the point ).
    The difference in that bike compared to the aluminum bike it replaced was night and day. I could climb hills 100 times better.
    I wouldn't have believed there could be such a difference if I hadn't actually seen it myself.
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