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    I really am not stirring.

    I just wonder what made the Auzis vote for Labour as they do not look very strong in terms of their leadership?

    Yet they decided to ditch Mr Morrison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JK1 View Post
    I really am not stirring.

    I just wonder what made the Auzis vote for Labour as they do not look very strong in terms of their leadership?

    Yet they decided to ditch Mr Morrison.
    Largely because Morrison, it would appear, was a terrible backwards leader who overly pandered to the coal lobby (and the more conservative right in general) and seems to not have represented the views of the majority of Australians.

    That's not my opinion but more the result of the election.
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    I have found a number of U Tube sites which said a lot of things about the Government.

    If those are true then it is shocking.

    Coal.

    Big Companies and rich people not paying any tax.

    Carbon credit "fraud".

    To name a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JK1 View Post
    I have found a number of U Tube sites which said a lot of things about the Government.

    If those are true then it is shocking.

    Coal.

    Big Companies and rich people not paying any tax.

    Carbon credit "fraud".

    To name a few.
    Big companies and rich people around the world don't pay tax.... That's why Trump wouldn't release his tax returns.

    While all politics are to an extent dirty, Australian politics are pretty mundane, dare I say boring. The scandals are not overly terrible, at least compared to the rest of the world.

    Also the major parties are pretty similar.

    It would seem this particular election loss for the Liberals (big L) was largely off the back of their climate inaction.

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    Looks like the Aussies did not forget
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karol View Post
    Looks like the Aussies did not forget
    So there probably aren't enough characters on twitter to give the full story

    The real covid lock downs in Aus where in Victoria, a state with a labour government.

    Australia just voted in a labour government.

    Does your picture still make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duggen View Post
    It would seem this particular election loss for the Liberals (big L) was largely off the back of their climate inaction.
    I think you are right, climate inaction is one of the big reasons. Many Aussies were directly affected by climate change during the last few years (drought, bushfires, floods), and many voters want to see the government doing something different. Morrison's support for the coal industry did not do him any favours.

    Personally I do not think the Aus government can do much to "fix" climate change (with Aus producing just over 1% of global CO2) unless the big polluting countries step up to the plate in a big way, and soon. Even then it is questionable IMO.
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    The best thing about the election. Not hearing "There's a hole in your budget dear labor" song anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by boerbok View Post
    Many Aussies were directly affected by climate change during the last few years (drought, bushfires, floods), and many voters want to see the government doing something different..
    The big fires in Aus were less about climate change and a whole lot more about poor management of the areas with little or no control of undergrowth and clearing of fire breaks, mostly thanks to the Green movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnoK View Post
    The big fires in Aus were less about climate change and a whole lot more about poor management of the areas with little or no control of undergrowth and clearing of fire breaks, mostly thanks to the Green movement.
    Possibly, how about the floods?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnoK View Post
    The big fires in Aus were less about climate change and a whole lot more about poor management of the areas with little or no control of undergrowth and clearing of fire breaks, mostly thanks to the Green movement.
    Same issue in California USA- Sub par forestry management.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Duggen View Post
    Possibly, how about the floods?
    We are is a second consecutive La Nina weather cycle which means more than average rain for southern hemisphere and drier equatorial region. By the looks of it we are heading for a third cycle so 22/23 will also another wet season.
    Once that swings over to el nino- drier southern hemisphere and wet equatorial then there will be droughts and fires again.

    As for climate change governments cannot do much about it, however they will campaign on the narrative because is a great way of introducing new taxes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Karol View Post
    Once that swings over to el nino- drier southern hemisphere and wet equatorial then there will be droughts and fires again.
    We have had both the floods and fires during la Nina.

    Also, I don't think it's that floods/fires/droughts happen that is the point more the severity.

    Anyway, any thoughts on your meme and labour being elected?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnoK View Post
    The big fires in Aus were less about climate change and a whole lot more about poor management of the areas with little or no control of undergrowth and clearing of fire breaks, mostly thanks to the Green movement.
    I am all for improved forest management, but no prep would have stopped the bushfires when they occurred in those conditions, unless they perhaps made the firebreaks 40km+ wide. Mid-summer tinderbox dry conditions, 40'C+ for days on end, dry lightning storms and gale force winds in mountainous forest areas are an impossible combination to prepare for.

    Embers can travel up to 40kms ahead of the firefront in high winds.

    I live less than 20 km's from some of these areas that burnt down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boerbok View Post
    I am all for improved forest management, but no prep would have stopped the bushfires
    Yeah, agreed. I also think people need to also take into consideration the size of this place.

    Nevermind the national forrests, some of the outback farms are massive.

    The one outback station we go camping on is 50km X 50km in size.

    It would bankrupt the land owner if he had to bulldoze a wide enough fire break around his 200km perimeter fence. Nevermind then having to ‘manage’ the undergrowth every 4 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duggen View Post
    Possibly, how about the floods?
    Bit of both, I think.
    Look at KZN and the building on ground that would have been either prohibitively expensive due to civils work to stabilise it or in historic flood plains, coupled with failure to provide sufficient ways to remove flood waters.
    Aus has some similar issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karol View Post
    We are is a second consecutive La Nina weather cycle which means more than average rain for southern hemisphere and drier equatorial region. By the looks of it we are heading for a third cycle so 22/23 will also another wet season.
    Once that swings over to el nino- drier southern hemisphere and wet equatorial then there will be droughts and fires again. With lots of vegetation that flourished during the wet, particularly undergrowth that the Greenies won't countenance removing...

    As for climate change governments cannot do much about it, however they will campaign on the narrative because is a great way of introducing new taxes.
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