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    Quote Originally Posted by PAT n WOLF View Post
    BUT i wonder if this Leopard would behave the same if it gets OLD and incapable of hunt. Normally when they get OLD and Fragile they tend to become opportunistic and may end up using their stealthy move to attack people.
    This one is still in perfect condition and obviously food isnt a problem. BUT just thinking, what will happen in future when it gets old, looking at other lion attacks from very OLD males who couldn't hunt.
    Pat, I think you are crying Wolf here. Your argument will then be relevant to all old carnivores such as lions, hyenas, jackal, etc. I can only recall a very few incidents where sick (mostly a type of brain sickness) animals endangered people at camp sites. Always be vigilant and enjoy the privileges (which we so take for granted) of camping in the wild
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndreTunie View Post
    Pat, I think you are crying Wolf here. Your argument will then be relevant to all old carnivores such as lions, hyenas, jackal, etc. I can only recall a very few incidents where sick (mostly a type of brain sickness) animals endangered people at camp sites. Always be vigilant and enjoy the privileges (which we so take for granted) of camping in the wild
    😂😂😂😂😂😂 You win Andre… didn’t know the Wolf name can come back and bite me…. I want to change to PAT without a Wolf..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLK View Post
    If it make himself visible then he dont have any intensions, but you will never now what can trigger him.
    I am with you on this point

    it doesnt mean you should ignore the animal but these predators know all about you a looong time before you see them

    does make for a short life for one's underwear though

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    Quote Originally Posted by RossJ View Post
    does make for a short life for one's underwear though
    Definitely
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    Default Re: LEOPARD scare at CKKOR02

    You were talking about an accident waiting to happen. Guy got taken in Zim, saw the photos today.
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    Apparently occurred whilst releasing the animal
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    This happened to me Piper #1 in July. Was a weird experience. We saw each other, both froze. I slowly got into the vehicle. The leopard gave it a few minutes, then carried on as if I was not there. Walked around the camp, marked their territory, left, came back again, keeping an eye on me and me on him. Eventually, lost interest and moved on. Would not say that it did not fear me, but instead there was a mutual respect... I respected the leopard so much I slept in my canopy that night

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickfrNam View Post
    This happened to me Piper #1 in July. Was a weird experience. We saw each other, both froze. I slowly got into the vehicle. The leopard gave it a few minutes, then carried on as if I was not there. Walked around the camp, marked their territory, left, came back again, keeping an eye on me and me on him. Eventually, lost interest and moved on. Would not say that it did not fear me, but instead there was a mutual respect... I respected the leopard so much I slept in my canopy that night
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    Think Leopard are similar to Black Mamba, they see/hear and watch you without you knowing they are there and far more than we know of. I was told or read somewhere that a Leopard is one of the last animal to leave a build up area. Was an excellent National Geographic doc. about Leopards in India. Excellent infrared filming of Leopard lying close to a road undercover of darkness in open field watching people walk past very close. Also good reference made to Leopard in Cry of the Kalahari by the crazy Owen’s couple bumping into Leopard and Lion in camp and while following and doing research on the Brown Hyena. In those days definitely a case for possible interest because of animals not bumping into people as much as happening nowadays with every second person owning a 4x4 and far more people going to Botswana’s amazing parkes.

    I agree with some of the previous comments about how few incidents have occurred with the amount of close encounters reported and happening now days. I am almost sure we are watched nightly in all of our southern africa game reserves, even the fenced camps of KNP, and there have been very few incidents. They are masters in stelth and moving around without being seen by us “dorpsjappies”. If a Leopard wanted to take you out (hunted, wounded, or in between it and its young) you have no chance. Especially as they often specialise on Baboon and know how to kill primates very quickly.

    On the question about what if was an old Leopard, in an erea with such a high density of Lion, do not think there is a very high chance of that happening? But never say never, we will never know it all about animals and be careful of generalisation regarding any animals behaviour.

    Getting back to the NG documentary, the Leopard only started attaching and killing people when a teacher started shooting them and causing a new Leopard to come into the killed Leopards territorium. New Leopard does not know what prey are in new area and finds more people and livestock as easy prey. Which does not bode well for the quota to shoot all those Leopard in Botswana….

    Well done to OP for calm reaction and thank you for sharing and starting a very interesting thread. Missing the bush!!!

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    I am confident of the statement that the predatory big cats are aware of our human presence, long before we are even remotely aware of them. Also that if they so chose, there would be very many more attacks or even encounters with humans. Mostly they know we are there and simply stay out of our way and awareness. We definitely camp amongst them entirely on their terms.

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    Default Re: LEOPARD scare at CKKOR02

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    Apparently occurred whilst releasing the animal
    Thanks. Weird that that would happen when releasing is a very controlled process. Horrific injuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stranger View Post
    Fearless YES, but worse, they are merciless and has been said, if they get old, can't hunt ? We have had , how many ? Three/four reports of Leopard attacks in the past two years. The one in Matopi, the Kruger incidents and where was that young person doing that game survey and got attacked in the tent ?
    There were the incidents at Xakanaxa a few months ago where 1 ranger was killed by a leopard and the following night another injured and a South African tourist also injured by the same leopard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan Weakley View Post
    I am confident of the statement that the predatory big cats are aware of our human presence, long before we are even remotely aware of them. Also that if they so chose, there would be very many more attacks or even encounters with humans. Mostly they know we are there and simply stay out of our way and awareness. We definitely camp amongst them entirely on their terms.

    Best that way .
    I used to think that too until I had an encounter with a leopard while hiking in the Limietberg Mountains a few years back. We were walking on the Jeep track that leads from Crystal Pools to Bains Kloof pass when a leopard walked into the jeep track about 10m ahead of us, did not look in our direction at all and proceeded to walk down the same track away from us appearing to be blissfully unaware of our presence. I called to my friends behind me to look at the leopard. They were about 20 m back. Only at that point did the leopard stop, take a look over it's shoulder and disappear into the fynbos as if it had never been there. I realise one swallow doesn't make the summer, but this leopard really looked like it was unaware of our presence at all.

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    Default Re: LEOPARD scare at CKKOR02

    Hi Pat n Wolf,

    We were your neighbours at KORI 02 that same Saturday morning if it was the 11th Sept. My wife and I go out at least once during the night to go to the toilet, a distance away from our ground tent.

    I always check for spoor in the mornings but there was nothing around our camp the whole 4 nights we spent at KORI. I shall be posting a trip report in a while on our experiences in the CKGR.

    For sure an animal is aware of our presence long before we are of theirs - that's their nature, an integral part of their being. A human is enemy number 1 to any animal so they respect us until such time that they become habituated (putting out water to attract them).
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    Hi Pat n Wolf,

    We were your neighbours at KORI 02 that same Saturday morning if it was the 11th Sept. My wife and I go out at least once during the night to go to the toilet, a distance away from our ground tent.

    I always check for spoor in the mornings but there was nothing around our camp the whole 4 nights we spent at KORI. I shall be posting a trip report in a while on our experiences in the CKGR.

    For sure an animal is aware of our presence long before we are of theirs - that's their nature, an integral part of their being. A human is enemy number 1 to any animal so they respect us until such time that they become habituated (putting out water to attract them).
    Hie Del
    Yes I learnt from Gavin that you guys were our neighbours when you arrived at Rakops River Lodge. He sent me an email. We actually waved at you several times when we were going for the drive. Thought of stopping by for a chat but time was not on our side.
    When I saw most of your vehicles with the hood opened, I just thought of MICE...that you guys were taking every precaution to prevent those little buggers from chewing vehicle wirings.

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    That is pretty hectic.
    We were in Kori3 CKGR 3 days ago and saw no leopard in the camp.
    We ended up seeing one about 15 km away.
    Awesome place and one of my best trips to Botswana.



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    I’m a professional traveler and doesn’t get scared easily but DAMN, this time I got really terrified.
    This past Saturday, on our second night, while staying at KORI 03, CKGR. The phone alarm got me up at 05:00. Took 5 minutes to make up bed and was out of the tent.

    The first thing I do, is switch on the vehicle side lights to light up camp. Then I put lamps around camp, and this time I had 4 lamps at different locations. Once all lamps are on, now the camp is lit and visibility very clear into the bushes.

    The next step is to make fire. So, after making fire, I put up the water boiling bucket on fire stand for face washing and coffee before we head for a drive.Once everything is set, I pulled up the camp chair next to the fire, because it was very cold. Before seating down, I made a round about lighting with a maglight touch and once It was clearly, I settled down, next to fire and relaxed.

    Just within a minute of sitting down, over my left shoulder, I see a BIG male leopard passing right from behind me, towards the kitchen table. I would guess, this leopard was almost 2 meters from me. First it lifted it front legs up to examine the tray on the table. At this point I slowly stood up walked in reverse, towards the vehicle.
    To my surprise, he sniffed his way to where I was seated. At this point I was inside the vehicle and believed this leopard clearly saw me and I even believe that, it saw me when I moved away.

    From around the fire, it went to the other lamp that was on the far direction and examined if there was anything next to it. Then it disappeared. I only managed to video record from inside the vehicle with my cellphone, the last part when it was sniffing around the lamp, as I was still in shock.
    Earlier this year, there was a discussion about people who feed these animals and put up water for them to drink. Now, this animals don’t fear people at all.
    What really bothers me is:
    1) What if this leopard found someone who couldn’t hold their nerves and calmly walk away, screaming and running to the car.
    2) What if I stood up, without seeing it behind me and then the leopard reacted. These scenarios are all running through my mind and it really scares me that it could have gone very bad.

    I used to believe cat, especially leopard, if you have enough lighting and fire, it would atleast stay hidden until maybe campers retreat to their tents, that’s when they will come. BUT the boldness of coming out with lots of light and seeing a human walking around scares me. I hope I doesn’t end in tears BUT …… this is a waiting bomb that is just waiting to explode.

    On leaving the reserve, I notified the DWNP officers about the incident, just to warn other campers to be aware while staying there. But all in all, trip was excellent. Mice problem seems to be solved, just an observation at camp and on drives.Lots of snakes, raptors.

    Sunday Pan was the best with lions around waterhole and cheetahs by the main pan area for two days in a row. Some trees are flowering and bees are starting to be a nuisance, though we found few at camp during the day.

    Note: Picture attached is a screenshot from the video clip I managed to get with my phone before the leopard disappeared.

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    Default Re: LEOPARD scare at CKKOR02

    Hi All,I was at CKKOR4 on the 17/18 September and we had a Leopard Spoor every night as if it was his path every nights. those who will be camping there should be aware and be vigilant.I was there and I have seen its spoor every morning

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    Just to give heads up on the Mice/Rats we did not have mice at Kori but we saw some lots at CKSUN but we were safe with Marder spray. we were even told at the gates that they no longer receive complaints about mice.Regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rustic Camp View Post
    Just to give heads up on the Mice/Rats we did not have mice at Kori but we saw some lots at CKSUN but we were safe with Marder spray. we were even told at the gates that they no longer receive complaints about mice.Regards,
    The mice problem has significantly improved as I reported. Lot of snakes and birds of prey.

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    Default Re: LEOPARD scare at CKKOR02

    We were at CKKOR03 12-14/09 - saw lots of spoor one morning early, a leopard had been hanging around, particularly around the kitchen area. Bit later on our way back from Sunday Pan, we saw him at CKKOR04 (it was empty) - he moved in and out of the ablutions and seemed pretty relaxed. We assumed he was looking for water. He was in great shape (my humble opinion).
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