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    Default Most fuel efficient 4x4 capable of doing dune trips

    I currently own a Pajero 3.8L V6 which is perfect for Dune trips like Luderitz to Walvisbay or skeleton coast. For these trips about 10 jerry cans are needed as fuel consumption drops to 2-3km/l. And just to get to Namibia costs more than flying as I only get 5.8km/l on the highway.

    For interest sake and possibly for buying a different vehicle, as per the title, what are the most fuel efficient 4x4 capable of doing the above mentioned dune trips.

    As an added bonus things like maintenance costs and reliability can also be considered. And budget around R300 000. The Pajero for comparison cost only R150 000.

    Or maybe just tell me that fuel consumption shouldn't be a factor at all when thinking of 'luxuries' like dune trips.
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    Default Re: Most fuel efficient 4x4 capable of dune trips

    "And budget around R300 000. The Pajero for comparison cost only R150 000."

    How much petrol can you buy for R150k?

    Assuming you buy cash:

    R150,000 / R18.30 = 8,197 liters

    That is CONSERVATIVELY 16,000kms in the dunes.............

    Do your sums.
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    Default Re: Most fuel efficient 4x4 capable of dune trips

    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    "And budget around R300 000. The Pajero for comparison cost only R150 000."

    How much petrol can you buy for R150k?

    Assuming you buy cash:

    R150,000 / R18.30 = 8,197 liters

    That is CONSERVATIVELY 16,000kms in the dunes.............

    Do your sums.
    Thanks for the reply. Just realised I left something out. I also have a Nissan NP200 which is very fuel efficient and also cost R150 000. So the idea would be to sell both and have some kind of middle ground. So there wouldn't be an 'extra' R150 000 to be spent on fuel. Any fuel spend is just a 'new' expense.
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    Default Re: Most fuel efficient 4x4 capable of dune trips

    For 300k, you are looking at high mileage turbo diesel vehicles if you want to increase efficiency. factor in maintenance cost on these and you will quickly realise, if your intended purpose is dunes, you are better off with what you have

    Diesels are not as good as petrol in the dunes
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    Default Re: Most fuel efficient 4x4 capable of dune trips

    Do you want an SUV or pickup?
    Do you want petrol or diesel?
    Do you want fulltime 4x4 or part time?
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    Default Re: Most fuel efficient 4x4 capable of dune trips

    Most vehicles, that are "dune capable" get's between 5 and 3 km/l in the dunes..

    I think focus should be on saving fuel while getting there..

    I would think of a good D4D hilux, A Triton maybe.. Any Petrol variant will be about the same consumption as what you are getting now, and those that are not as heavy will be more expensive..
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    Default Re: Most fuel efficient 4x4 capable of dune trips

    Quote Originally Posted by Nys View Post
    Diesels are not as good as petrol in the dunes
    Unless he goes for an Amarok TDV6 or similar. And then R300k is far too low.
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    Default Re: Most fuel efficient 4x4 capable of dune trips

    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Do you want an SUV or pickup?
    Do you want petrol or diesel?
    Do you want fulltime 4x4 or part time?
    Doesn't matter. Currently Diesel is cheaper but that is not always the case (or is it)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehog View Post
    Most vehicles, that are "dune capable" get's between 5 and 3 km/l in the dunes..

    I think focus should be on saving fuel while getting there..

    I would think of a good D4D hilux, A Triton maybe.. Any Petrol variant will be about the same consumption as what you are getting now, and those that are not as heavy will be more expensive..
    Yes, I meant consumption on getting there and also while doing normal overlanding/camping trips that doesn't involve sand driving as that is where most of the kilometres will be driven (on normal/gravel roads).

    I also leaned towards a D4D, but that only gets around 10km/l on open roads?

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    Default Re: Most fuel efficient 4x4 capable of dune trips

    I don't know what the most fuel efficient will be, but I think a high power (2010 and newer) Gen 4 3.2 diesel Pajero would take you close to what you are searching for. You already own one, you know how capable they are, and you know they do high mileage easily, you just need to switch to the diesel.

    The HP 3.2 will give you 10km/L all day on your way to the dunes if you don't drive it like you stole or strap the house and its contents to the roof. It has a 90L tank and hits reserve with about 15L left in the tank which gives you a range of around 750km.

    In the sand my low power 3.2 diesel gives me anywhere from 15-20L per 100km (so 6.6 to 5km/L) so that gives you a range of around 400km on the safe to use 75L. The HP will be better than this.

    Try get one with the factory diff lock specced so GLX or a 2013 and newer GLS (might be out of budget).

    Pajero prices have gone a bit nuts the last while so you may struggle to find a decent low mileage HP Gen 4.

    So having said what I said, I think most turbo diesels with good power output will give you around the same.

    For me fuel consumption is absolutely a factor even when doing trips, I find it very uncomfortable when I plan a trip and it turns out that my fuel will make the trip nearly unaffordable and is eating into my beer budget

    Cheers

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    Default Re: Most fuel efficient 4x4 capable of dune trips

    Quote Originally Posted by hugmin42 View Post

    I also leaned towards a D4D, but that only gets around 10km/l on open roads?
    That is good for a capable 4x4 and it is almost twice of what you get now..
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    Default Re: Most fuel efficient 4x4 capable of dune trips

    Quote Originally Posted by hugmin42 View Post
    Doesn't matter. Currently Diesel is cheaper but that is not always the case (or is it)?



    Yes, I meant consumption on getting there and also while doing normal overlanding/camping trips that doesn't involve sand driving as that is where most of the kilometres will be driven (on normal/gravel roads).

    I also leaned towards a D4D, but that only gets around 10km/l on open roads?
    You won't beat 10km/L and have a car that is capable of a Namib dunes trip and regular overlanding duty in your budget. May the T-reg V6 will give you more than 10km/L on the open road, and it will probably eat the dunes, but I don't know if that is the car you are searching for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChasingSunsets View Post
    I don't know what the most fuel efficient will be, but I think a high power (2010 and newer) Gen 4 3.2 diesel Pajero would take you close to what you are searching for. You already own one, you know how capable they are, and you know they do high mileage easily, you just need to switch to the diesel.

    The HP 3.2 will give you 10km/L all day on your way to the dunes if you don't drive it like you stole or strap the house and its contents to the roof. It has a 90L tank and hits reserve with about 15L left in the tank which gives you a range of around 750km.

    In the sand my low power 3.2 diesel gives me anywhere from 15-20L per 100km (so 6.6 to 5km/L) so that gives you a range of around 400km on the safe to use 75L. The HP will be better than this.

    Try get one with the factory diff lock specced so GLX or a 2013 and newer GLS (might be out of budget).

    Pajero prices have gone a bit nuts the last while so you may struggle to find a decent low mileage HP Gen 4.

    So having said what I said, I think most turbo diesels with good power output will give you around the same.

    For me fuel consumption is absolutely a factor even when doing trips, I find it very uncomfortable when I plan a trip and it turns out that my fuel will make the trip nearly unaffordable and is eating into my beer budget

    Cheers
    If i owned a desert trip concession, and a guy applied with a diesel Paj, I would reply that my trip is unfortunately full
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehog View Post
    If i owned a desert trip concession, and a guy applied with a diesel Paj, I would reply that my trip is unfortunately full
    Trolling again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugmin42 View Post
    Yes, I meant consumption on getting there and also while doing normal overlanding/camping trips that doesn't involve sand driving as that is where most of the kilometres will be driven (on normal/gravel roads).
    Then with all respect for your Paj, you need a more modern V6 with VVT.

    We get 10km/L in our 2012 Wrangler on the open road. On trails, that drops to around 6-6.5km.
    I suspect that on dunes it would drop further to between 3 and 4 but still better than you have now.

    https://www.autotrader.co.za/car-for...60=0&so=1&pl=0

    If the Wrangler is too tough for you:
    The same engine is used in the Grand Cherokee WK2.

    https://www.autotrader.co.za/car-for...60=0&so=1&pl=0

    And if Jeep isn't your brand:

    https://www.autotrader.co.za/car-for...60=0&so=1&pl=0
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    That FJ is nice.
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    Default Re: Most fuel efficient 4x4 capable of dune trips

    Quote Originally Posted by ChasingSunsets View Post

    Try get one with the factory diff lock specced so GLX or a 2013 and newer GLS (might be out of budget).

    Cheers
    Can this be true? https://www.gumtree.co.za/a-cars-bak...40910350088509

    Would this have the diff lock?

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    Trolling again?
    No, I was serious, I do actually go off road some time,...

    But in any case I think its time I make you invisible.. Because you seem to be somewhat irritating
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    Quote Originally Posted by hugmin42 View Post
    Can this be true? https://www.gumtree.co.za/a-cars-bak...40910350088509

    Would this have the diff lock?
    That is a Gen 3 GLX (aka the African spec or UN spec). It has a factory rear diff lock yes.

    Personally, I would say you should try get something a bit newer unless you are thinking just sell the one car and get this. Its not going to be a dune weapon but then again I don't think your post about searching for a dune weapon, its about searching for something that can comfortably complete the trips you are doing.

    My dad has Gen 3 GLX just like the one in the photo (his is blue) and he has done just over 400k km of touring in it. Its never given any issues but the Gen 3 diesel is known for its rather expensive R25k diesel pump repair. When this happens is anyone's guess. My dad's one has not asked for it, but that may be down to using 500ppm most of its life (we filled up on the farm or at the korporasie).

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    Default Re: Most fuel efficient 4x4 capable of dune trips

    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Then with all respect for your Paj, you need a more modern V6 with VVT.

    We get 10km/L in our 2012 Wrangler on the open road. On trails, that drops to around 6-6.5km.
    I suspect that on dunes it would drop further to between 3 and 4 but still better than you have now.

    https://www.autotrader.co.za/car-for...60=0&so=1&pl=0

    If the Wrangler is too tough for you:
    The same engine is used in the Grand Cherokee WK2.

    https://www.autotrader.co.za/car-for...60=0&so=1&pl=0

    And if Jeep isn't your brand:

    https://www.autotrader.co.za/car-for...60=0&so=1&pl=0

    Haven't considered a Wrangler, but that consumption sounds good. The FJ however doesn't seem to be much more efficient?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugmin42 View Post
    Haven't considered a Wrangler, but that consumption sounds good. The FJ however doesn't seem to be much more efficient?

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