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    Default The fabled 3500kg towing capacity

    Whenever bakkies are tested, especially in Oz, the much hyped 3500kg towing capacity always comes up.

    John Cadogan, much as I dislike him, makes a very well versed, solid argument about the fallacy of it all. If you can live through the first couple of minutes, do have a look here. Food for thought. Makes you have a little bit of respect for the law makers in SA actually

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    Default Re: The fabled 3500kg towing capacity

    Youíre right, good information but he is a pratt.

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    I wouldn't say he's the best out there but he does break some topics down quite well from an engineering point of view. I do struggle to get through his jokes - his channel would be more successful if he toned it down a little and stopped bashing every brand apart from Hyundai.

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    Out of interest, what is (for example) a 3.2 Ford Ranger Double Cab Auto in ZA tow capacity?

    Here in Kangarooville, I would bet money that most donít know what they are allowed to load and tow.

    Most see the 3500kg on the brochure and fail to see the little asterisk behind it and donít go read the fine print.

    Then goes out and buys a 3000kg caravan, load it full of camping gear,hook up and go.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdjoubert View Post
    Out of interest, what is (for example) a 3.2 Ford Ranger Double Cab Auto in ZA tow capacity?

    Here in Kangarooville, I would bet money that most donít know what they are allowed to load and tow.

    Most see the 3500kg on the brochure and fail to see the little asterisk behind it and donít go read the fine print.

    Then goes out and buys a 3000kg caravan, load it full of camping gear,hook up and go.....
    Does something like a 3000kg caravan even exist? That is double the weight of an Explorer. I think this type of weight is more relevant in the industrial or agricultural areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swannie1960 View Post
    Does something like a 3000kg caravan even exist? That is double the weight of an Explorer. I think this type of weight is more relevant in the industrial or agricultural areas.
    In Aussie land you do...check this one...GVM 3 200kg, ATM 3 500kg (ATM stands for aggregate trailer mass and refers to the combined weight of the trailer (tare weight) and the maximum trailer load.)

    https://www.caravancampingsales.com....-7292287/?Cr=6
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof View Post
    In Aussie land you do...check this one...GVM 3 200kg, ATM 3 500kg (ATM stands for aggregate trailer mass and refers to the combined weight of the trailer (tare weight) and the maximum trailer load.)

    https://www.caravancampingsales.com....-7292287/?Cr=6
    How can the ATM be higher than the trailer's GVM?
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    Default Re: The fabled 3500kg towing capacity

    Why does everyone call this Aussie names? Is it maybe because he also shoots straight when it comes to toyota and he says things that hurt the herd's feelings?

    Most don't get max tow weight, maar my haailux/ranger/triton etc met die chip sleep 3 en 'n half ton soos niks......
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    Quote Originally Posted by HugoNotte View Post
    How can the ATM be higher than the trailer's GVM?
    Hey, the Aussies are different!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HugoNotte View Post
    How can the ATM be higher than the trailer's GVM?
    ATM - Aggregate Trailer Mass - is the total weight of the trailer - jockey wheel and road wheels on the weighbridge. GTM - Gross Trailer Mass - is just the road wheels on the weighbridge.

    Caravans with an ATM of 3500 kg are very common in Australia. I refer to them as "a block of flats on wheels" but they are extremely popular. I don't understand why you would want to tow 3500 kg - my hybrid camper has an ATM of 1900 kg and it usually weighs in around 1800 kg on trips.

    The number of 3500 kg caravans you see being towed by overloaded twin cab utes - bakkies to you - and overloaded 200 Series Toyotas is terrifying! All illegal rigs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof View Post
    In Aussie land you do...check this one...GVM 3 200kg, ATM 3 500kg (ATM stands for aggregate trailer mass and refers to the combined weight of the trailer (tare weight) and the maximum trailer load.)

    https://www.caravancampingsales.com....-7292287/?Cr=6
    And then it sleeps 2 people! And is an off-roader. I can now understand what he went on about!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swannie1960 View Post
    And then it sleeps 2 people! And is an off-roader. I can now understand what he went on about!
    I saw a caravan at a show here that was triple axel and weighed around 4000 kg and was labelled "Off-road". It had checkerplate glued on the sides, so it must be off-road!

    Caravans this weight are incredibly common in Australia and people (try to) tow them all over the place - even Fraser Island which is entirely sand. It never ceases to amaze me. There seem to be an increasing number of them involved in accidents because people cannot travel overseas. They decide to buy a 4WD and a HUGE caravan and setoff on "trip of a lifetime", even though they have never towed anything bigger than a 6'x4' box trailer to the tip, if they have done even that.

    As Cadogan says, you cannot practically (or safely!) tow these things with anything under a "full sized" USA pickup - and even a few of those can't because they have ridiculously low rear axel limits. A 2500 kg tow vehicle (because it has to be empty to stay under the GCM limit) towing a 3500 kg caravan is not a safe option. The tail wags the dog.

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    Default Re: The fabled 3500kg towing capacity

    With our brand of camper, it seems to be the females who want to trade up to something with an inside toilet and shower. Then a washing machine, then a dishwasher, then a tumble drier, then a...

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    Default Re: The fabled 3500kg towing capacity

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehog View Post
    It's the wimmins fault
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    With our brand of camper, it seems to be the females who want to trade up to something with an inside toilet and shower. Then a washing machine, then a dishwasher, then a tumble drier, then a...

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    Tow capacity is 3500kg but maximum legal tow weight is 2140kg
    Quote Originally Posted by jdjoubert View Post
    Out of interest, what is (for example) a 3.2 Ford Ranger Double Cab Auto in ZA tow capacity?

    Here in Kangarooville, I would bet money that most donít know what they are allowed to load and tow.

    Most see the 3500kg on the brochure and fail to see the little asterisk behind it and donít go read the fine print.

    Then goes out and buys a 3000kg caravan, load it full of camping gear,hook up and go.....
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    Yep, His and Hers ensuites, front verandah - I kid you not... Piazza Series Ė Royal Flair Caravans | Australia's Finest Caravan Manufacturer

    OMG, will it never stop? I'm waiting for the three story model with a pool and spa on the roof...

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    Default Re: The fabled 3500kg towing capacity

    Quote Originally Posted by Numb Thumbs View Post
    I saw a caravan at a show here that was triple axel and weighed around 4000 kg and was labelled "Off-road". It had checkerplate glued on the sides, so it must be off-road!

    Caravans this weight are incredibly common in Australia and people (try to) tow them all over the place - even Fraser Island which is entirely sand. It never ceases to amaze me. There seem to be an increasing number of them involved in accidents because people cannot travel overseas. They decide to buy a 4WD and a HUGE caravan and setoff on "trip of a lifetime", even though they have never towed anything bigger than a 6'x4' box trailer to the tip, if they have done even that.

    As Cadogan says, you cannot practically (or safely!) tow these things with anything under a "full sized" USA pickup - and even a few of those can't because they have ridiculously low rear axel limits. A 2500 kg tow vehicle (because it has to be empty to stay under the GCM limit) towing a 3500 kg caravan is not a safe option. The tail wags the dog.

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    We visited my brother in Canada.
    They use the F250, Dodge Rams and large Chevs to tow caravans around and they weigh HEAVY.

    His rig is 1880 kg empty and uses a Dodge Ram 4x4 with towing kit - semi off road rig.

    Seen some going around weighing in at 8000 kg for tar use not off road.
    Crazy.

    I am happy with 820 kg empty, max 1500 kg going off road.
    In soft sand it is heavy, so depends where we go and how we pack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehog View Post
    It's the wimmins fault
    It has always amazed me how much control women have when it comes to deciding what is going to be the off road camping setup. The husband is then stuck with making it work for madam.

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    Yep, that pretty much is how it works! And they have no idea how much work it is...

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