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    Default Re: The fabled 3500kg towing capacity

    I have to wonder how many of us have actually towed more than 2,1 tons for leisure purposes?

    This 3,5 tons towing capacity is like bragging about owning a Ferrari, but your wife does not want you to drive it.
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    Default Re: The fabled 3500kg towing capacity

    There are a hell of a lot of them out on Australian roads at the moment - and a lot of them are being towed by people who do not have much - if any - towing experience. Maybe that is why there are a lot of roll overs at present!

    They can't go overseas, so they buy a caravan and a 200 series or a ute - usually a ute because 200 series are like hen's teeth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MANDREAS View Post
    I have to wonder how many of us have actually towed more than 2,1 tons for leisure purposes?

    This 3,5 tons towing capacity is like bragging about owning a Ferrari, but your wife does not want you to drive it.
    I've towed over 3 tons on many occasions on the farm, mostly during planting season, and can honestly say there is nothin fun about it.

    Even if we would to run them with electric/air assisted brakes I would really not venture unto public roads close to OEM max rating
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    Default Re: The fabled 3500kg towing capacity

    Redman, is the table you attached from Toyota SA or Oz? Why I ask is that in SA we usually tend to talk about Tare and not Kerb mass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike N View Post
    Redman, is the table you attached from Toyota SA or Oz? Why I ask is that in SA we usually tend to talk about Tare and not Kerb mass.
    Hi Mike, this is taken from Toyota SA's website
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    Default The fabled 3500kg towing capacity

    Quote Originally Posted by Redman View Post
    I've towed over 3 tons on many occasions on the farm, mostly during planting season, and can honestly say there is nothin fun about it.

    Even if we would to run them with electric/air assisted brakes I would really not venture unto public roads close to OEM max rating
    Quote Originally Posted by MANDREAS View Post
    I have to wonder how many of us have actually towed more than 2,1 tons for leisure purposes?

    This 3,5 tons towing capacity is like bragging about owning a Ferrari, but your wife does not want you to drive it.
    Whenever I have tow more than 1.5t I rather just take one of my trucks. Or move weight to the bakkie rather than on the trailer.

    But the idea of towing a 1.5t caravan down a gravel mountain pass behind a bakkie weighing 2t gives me the heeby jeebies.

    Vroutjie moet maar minder pak.
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    Default Re: The fabled 3500kg towing capacity

    Aussies do one thing, but the yanks......

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    Default Re: The fabled 3500kg towing capacity

    For those that are going to tow above tare - anyone with a ski boat/horse box, I would highly recommend these guys.
    http://www.hydrapro.co.za/page4.html

    Found them on this forum but I canít recall which thread. I actually looked at bringing in the Hydrastar units myself as a local distributor, but they never got back to me with an offer, so I am happy to recommend these guys. I just had a long chat with Ray and he is going to get me sorted with a setup. Sounds like it will be in the region of 20-30k all in but at least the trailer is legal locally then and you donít get your rig deregistered like I did.

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    Default Re: The fabled 3500kg towing capacity

    here is a 4WD24-7 test
    Trailer, boat and big heavy load up to legal limit. They also compare towing with larger rig 200 series, y62 and lc79

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    Default Re: The fabled 3500kg towing capacity

    Towing those weights is noting. Trying to stop or swerve out is another story.
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    Default Re: The fabled 3500kg towing capacity

    Quote Originally Posted by Swannie1960 View Post
    Does something like a 3000kg caravan even exist? That is double the weight of an Explorer. I think this type of weight is more relevant in the industrial or agricultural areas.
    In Aussie land 2000kg is considered a small camper trailer it is amazing how over engineered their caravans are. Most have solid channel iron chassis frames and double axles to carry the weight of the chassis. Its also most a self defeating objective increase the chassis for strength but then have to increase it more to carry its own weight. I believe there is a market for a lighter weight well designed alternative.

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    I've spent the last month trying to decide upon an offroad caravan to pull behind our Prado 150. Looked at very many Aussie made models, almost nothing under 2.5 tonnes available and current waitlist is mostly September/October 2022, yes 15 months away. Finally decided to purchase a Bushlapa Badger 4i (aka Ratel 4i), deposit paid last week. There are 2 agents in Australia, waitlist 6-8 months. We struggled to chose between a Badger 4i and a Bushlapa Hopper 4 (aka Miskruier), but we want to do the Australian Lap over a 12 month period so decided bigger would be more comfortable. The Prado will handle the 1.8 tonnes.
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    Default The fabled 3500kg towing capacity

    Quote Originally Posted by Engel View Post
    Towing those weights is noting. Trying to stop or swerve out is another story.

    https://youtu.be/JeEEC5eVNCk

    Channel has a few more interesting videos on the topic. Makes me want to steer away from towing
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    Default Re: The fabled 3500kg towing capacity

    As to the question how much can a Suv/Ute tow in South Africa.Listed some traffic laws exclude electric/Air brakes.
    https://www.carmag.co.za/technical/t...t-the-law-says

    The maximum GVM of a braked trailer may not exceed the tow vehicleís tare mass up to a maximum of 3 500 kg/code EB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Engel View Post
    Towing those weights is noting. Trying to stop or swerve out is another story.
    This ^^^

    I own a bakkie with the fabled 3.5ton rating (by manufacturer) but will most probably never use it. Even a tire losing pressure quickly on the trailer can have severe consequences. It does give me peace of mind that the bakkie should tow "normal" weights very easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swannie1960 View Post
    Does something like a 3000kg caravan even exist? That is double the weight of an Explorer. I think this type of weight is more relevant in the industrial or agricultural areas.
    Johan n Explorer gelaai weeg 2 ton, net soos al die ander 4x4 karavane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhlippieV View Post
    Whenever I have tow more than 1.5t I rather just take one of my trucks. Or move weight to the bakkie rather than on the trailer.

    But the idea of towing a 1.5t caravan down a gravel mountain pass behind a bakkie weighing 2t gives me the heeby jeebies.

    Vroutjie moet maar minder pak.
    Coming down Sir Lowries is no fun with a caravaan pushing you down.
    We used to stay in Helderview and the caravan went up and down a few times.

    NOT FUN AT ALL
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    Default Re: The fabled 3500kg towing capacity

    Quote Originally Posted by Andre Bos View Post
    Johan n Explorer gelaai weeg 2 ton, net soos al die ander 4x4 karavane.
    Ek verskil so bietjie
    Ons BL-Kewer weeg 1500kg maks gelaai, die Ratel 6 kom in op 1800kg.
    Nog steeds baie gewig om te keer teen 'n steilte, moeilikheid as jy nie versigtig is nie.

    Ek sleep dood eenvoudig niks wat nie gerem is nie.
    750 kg Ventertjie teen steilte af op grondpad in n draai stoot hard en jy gaan in die rigting waar die waentjie gaan.
    Danie & Marinda - die wiele is rond, dus moet hulle hardloop - afgetree nou leef ons net.
    2017 BL - Kewer B1115 RUS WA GP - bos en kamp tyd
    2016 Ford Fiesta Ecoboost - daaglikse ryding
    2013 Ford Ranger 3.2 DC XLT 4x4 - nuwe rondloop ry ding, nou sleep ons! (2017)
    2011 Echo 4, die RUSWA-ZN - (verkoop 44 000 km)
    2010 Ford Ranger 2.5 DT DC XLT 4x4 - rondloop ry ding met "bietjie ekstra" krag (Verkoop 177 000 km)
    2005 Chev Aveo - Afgeskryf (2016 130 000)
    2005 Opel Corsa 17DTi - Geruil (warm enjin 180 000)
    2003 Opel Corsa 17DTi - Geruil (warm enjin 150 00)
    2000 Nissan Hardbody - Geruil (pyne by die duisended 52 000 km)
    1998 Opel Kadett - Dogter se wiele geword in 2003 (baie warm enjin 116 000 km)
    1990 Datsun 1800 short wheelbase - Pa se ou plaas bakkie, na die Nissan die pad gevat het met sy probleme in 2003 (117 00km)
    1990 Hilux 2.4D - en hy kon loop, pomp en top gewerk aan.
    1984 Opel Commondore - het gehardloop
    1983 Safary 3 karavaan - verkoop en begin tent in 2000 (51 000 km)
    1980 Ford Granada 3.0 - warm enjin afgeskryf
    1969 VW 1600 TL - geen einde nie, warm enjin en geruil
    1968 VW 1600 L - geen einde en baie warm enjin, verkoop in 1998 (328 000 myl/525 000 km)

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    Default Re: The fabled 3500kg towing capacity

    Quote Originally Posted by Danie S View Post
    Coming down Sir Lowries is no fun with a caravaan pushing you down.
    We used to stay in Helderview and the caravan went up and down a few times.

    NOT FUN AT ALL
    En as die suidoos pomp kan dit nie aangenaam wees nie

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