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    Hi , we are building our first house after many years of working saving for a deposit. We have designed the house very low budget as we simply can’t afford much however are in need of engineer to help us with the foundations for the stilts and for council submission. We are building on a steep slope and have opted for stilts as they seem cheapest.
    does anyone know a affordable engineer?
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    In which town are you intending to construct?
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    Unfortunately you are in for a surprise. These things are expensive

    You are welcome to PM me and Iíll get my engineering colleagues to refer someone.
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    And Garages.
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    I think you may have a horse and cart problem.
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    I'm involved with a labour team up the West Coast. We do peer and beam timber frame houses. Our last project we handed over on Tuesday was a perfect 100 squares, and this home owner got it right to involve an Architect at R180/Sq, a specialist floor Engineer at R200/Sq, and a wall frame specialist at another R200/Sq.

    All these so called specialist had me pulling my hair out. Each of them charging for an additional three inspection during construction, each at over R2500 per inspection as we are 200km from Cape Town, and they charge R6/km travel. Suffered standing time till these guys could fit us in. The floor was the worst as there was just nothing I can carry on with till these inspections were completed. To suffer over a week of stoppages on a six week project is not good. My guys don't get paid when they are not working.

    But the biggest frustration is that these guys don't talk to each other. Each supplied their own set of plans separately, which added additional costs as well. Our specialist wall engineer did not even bother finding out what sheathing/cladding material we were going to use, and if it could be considered structural, or even what the standard size of said material is. He went to great length to supply a cutting list for the framing, which meant nothing as we had to adjust everything on site to suite cladding. He also convinced the owner that he should order and supply framing timber per cutting list, which meant eight different size/length timber piles with which we had to build his puzzle. Virtually each of these piles came from a different mill or cut batch with each having there own thicknesses. Suddenly none of his measurements meant anything, and he wants to fight with us because we changed the placing of studs and blocking from his plans.

    Asking him about things that concerned me, just made him a hardass with his sign-off. But when it came to him having to supply answers as to how we should hang bathroom fixtures, kitchen cupboards, battery and a gas box off the walls with no blocking, he can't answer, and now blames us for not making plans for these things. So here we were cutting walls apart to hang stuff, when we should have been finishing.

    These guys are all theory and ZERO practical knowledge. Even without their bills, they managed to add another 30% costs to the building from what we normally do.
    Sorry for the engineer rant on your thread, but most these engineers are just here to agrivate and rip off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bfreesani View Post
    These guys are all theory and ZERO practical knowledge. Even without their bills, they managed to add another 30% costs to the building from what we normally do.
    Sorry for the engineer rant on your thread, but most these engineers are just here to agrivate and rip off.
    That's mostly true. If you are on a tight budget and want zero headache, use friends. Someone that will go out of your way to advise you right, and even go the extra mile to see your project to completion.

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    Have a look at what theyíre doing with shipping containers

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    Quote Originally Posted by bfreesani View Post
    Sorry for the engineer rant on your thread, but most these engineers are just here to agrivate and rip off.
    I feel like should say something about this.....

    But I realized why i stopped using contractors at my house - getting ripped off too much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MANDREAS View Post
    In which town are you intending to construct?
    Knysna area

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbief View Post
    And Garages.
    ? garages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by byaru1 View Post
    That's mostly true. If you are on a tight budget and want zero headache, use friends. Someone that will go out of your way to advise you right, and even go the extra mile to see your project to completion.
    Thanks good idea. I have a civil engineer friend. maybe he has a good friend we could use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    I think you may have a horse and cart problem.
    Please explain if you dont mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by horizon View Post
    ? garages?
    Just thinking of the Garage to be included, and not an afterthought.

    I have a friend whose garage is way above the house and its really a pita.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bfreesani View Post
    I'm involved with a labour team up the West Coast. We do peer and beam timber frame houses. Our last project we handed over on Tuesday was a perfect 100 squares, and this home owner got it right to involve an Architect at R180/Sq, a specialist floor Engineer at R200/Sq, and a wall frame specialist at another R200/Sq.

    All these so called specialist had me pulling my hair out. Each of them charging for an additional three inspection during construction, each at over R2500 per inspection as we are 200km from Cape Town, and they charge R6/km travel. Suffered standing time till these guys could fit us in. The floor was the worst as there was just nothing I can carry on with till these inspections were completed. To suffer over a week of stoppages on a six week project is not good. My guys don't get paid when they are not working.

    But the biggest frustration is that these guys don't talk to each other. Each supplied their own set of plans separately, which added additional costs as well. Our specialist wall engineer did not even bother finding out what sheathing/cladding material we were going to use, and if it could be considered structural, or even what the standard size of said material is. He went to great length to supply a cutting list for the framing, which meant nothing as we had to adjust everything on site to suite cladding. He also convinced the owner that he should order and supply framing timber per cutting list, which meant eight different size/length timber piles with which we had to build his puzzle. Virtually each of these piles came from a different mill or cut batch with each having there own thicknesses. Suddenly none of his measurements meant anything, and he wants to fight with us because we changed the placing of studs and blocking from his plans.

    Asking him about things that concerned me, just made him a hardass with his sign-off. But when it came to him having to supply answers as to how we should hang bathroom fixtures, kitchen cupboards, battery and a gas box off the walls with no blocking, he can't answer, and now blames us for not making plans for these things. So here we were cutting walls apart to hang stuff, when we should have been finishing.

    These guys are all theory and ZERO practical knowledge. Even without their bills, they managed to add another 30% costs to the building from what we normally do.
    Sorry for the engineer rant on your thread, but most these engineers are just here to agrivate and rip off.
    Daar is 'n rede hoekom ingenieurs noodsaaklik is en hoekom hulle moet sertifiseer dat 'n gebou struktureel sterk is, ten spyte van wat die kontrakteur mag dink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MANDREAS View Post
    Daar is 'n rede hoekom ingenieurs noodsaaklik is en hoekom hulle moet sertifiseer dat 'n gebou struktureel sterk is, ten spyte van wat die kontrakteur mag dink.
    All well, but don't go adding in weak links at massive cost. Thats all I have to say on that matter, or I will be Hijacking this thread with a totally off topic discussion.
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    Horizon - very much depends on your site conditions, and your structural system, so an engineer is necessary and prudent.
    Submission plans + XA calculations, you should get done fairly reasonably from a local registered arch. technician ( I'm guessing 10-20k)

    Engineer's are there to do a job for a reason, and unlike salesmen, have to train for many years, register and adhere to industry rules of conduct, science ,PI insurance, ....to make sure your dream house does not settle and twist out of shape.
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    ... Analysis Paralysis ...

    If you building a mega Olympic Stadium
    or something you need those guys ...,
    but for a wooden pondokki in the bush,
    probly best without them ...
    ... as theres constructive work to be done !
    They not catering to their clients requirements
    just freelancing for bucks with threats wrt
    certification , standards etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick L View Post
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    Horizon - very much depends on your site conditions, and your structural system, so an engineer is necessary and prudent.
    Submission plans + XA calculations, you should get done fairly reasonably from a local registered arch. technician ( I'm guessing 10-20k)

    Engineer's are there to do a job for a reason, and unlike salesmen, have to train for many years, register and adhere to industry rules of conduct, science ,PI insurance, ....to make sure your dream house does not settle and twist out of shape.
    Wow nice house. I do architecture work myself. Just need an engineer right now. How did that house cost 100k? those sliding doors alone are around 30k? Plus all that metal and windows. This look more like 400k unless they have free labour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by horizon View Post
    Wow nice house. I do architecture work myself. Just need an engineer right now. How did that house cost 100k? those sliding doors alone are around 30k? Plus all that metal and windows. This look more like 400k unless they have free labour.
    Designed by an architect friend -I helped build it a few years ago.

    It did cost somewhere 400-500k I think, all in -including septic tank, all fittings, etc.

    This is Phase 1 of a larger house to be built in time -will be added to right of this unit.
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