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    Default Double Cabs - How Capable is Capable??

    This Thread refers - actually my For Sale Thread, but it turned into an interesting discussion on an Amarok V6's capability vs other makes.

    This is not about the Rok or the Ranger........I'm talking ALL makes here, in DC 4X4 configuration ONLY. Its also not a Thread about which is best.

    Its about the term "offroad capability".

    What would YOU say defines a capable DC 4x4?? 4x4 Capabilities ONLY......not resale value, or service levels etc etc......ONLY what you perceive as a capable DC 4X4 , and why??

    If you are buying a new DC, and your ONLY consideration is this........what would "attract" you most??

    Lets talk current Models only, off the floor specs only....................AND, to keep things interesting, lets exclude the 79 Cruiser - its a SFA, and has twin lockers. I classify that as a "hard" 4x4 DC, so we'll talk about the "softer" offerings with IFS and all those nice bells and whistles

    So...to sum up......: HOW CAPABLE DOES YOUR DREAM 4X4 D/CAB NEED TO BE??

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    Default Re: Double Cabs - How Capable is Capable??

    Straight from the showroom:
    Selectable LR
    Rear locker, at least
    Clearance
    Power
    Traction Control

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    Default Re: Double Cabs - How Capable is Capable??

    Quote Originally Posted by cainslie View Post
    Straight from the showroom:
    Selectable LR
    Rear locker, at least
    Clearance
    Power
    Traction Control
    But which one would you buy today?? For YOUR use??

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    Default Re: Double Cabs - How Capable is Capable??

    The fact is, and this is proven by very much all the comparisons in off road tests is that in standard form and barring homologations like the Raptor, the Hilux is the most capable off road.

    And there is no argument from me about that.

    Best clearances
    Best suspension travel
    Best traction control
    Best wheelbase (2nd to the Triton)
    Best robustness

    But on pure capability the Raptor is unbeatable, but what is there to compete with it?
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    Default Re: Double Cabs - How Capable is Capable??

    Topic Header should actually read..........HOW CAPABLE DOES YOUR DREAM 4X4 D/CAB NEED TO BE??

    Sorry Guys - current Header may be misleading. Mods if you can maybe help??

    Anyway - If I could choose any shiny new DC 4X4 Today??

    My Current needs/use:

    1) Long distance driving, 80/90% tar, rest gravel, 4x4 High needed maybe 5-10%, Low Range basically never (I have an old Patrol for that).
    2) LR thus not needed
    3) Needs to tow a boat/caravan and launch, etc etc
    4) I love a manual, but Auto may also work I guess

    My Wish List:

    In Auto............Amarok V6 - that's the only one I'd consider for MY use.

    Manual.............Hilux 2,8. Ticks all my boxes, and I'm a Toy fan, and those 2,8's are VERY nice vehicles.

    My Choice, for MY use....?? Rok V6. That auto box is oh SO nice, and the Rok V6 would fit my needs 100%. I'd rather get used to that Auto to enjoy the whole Package than stick to manual but not have a V6 TDi with space/presence/capable enough for my 4x4 needs

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    Default Re: Double Cabs - How Capable is Capable??

    Quote Originally Posted by Petri Oosthuizen View Post
    But which one would you buy today?? For YOUR use??
    The Hilux that I already have.

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    Default Re: Double Cabs - How Capable is Capable??

    Na 3 jaar se soek, was daar geen dc op mark wat ek gesien het as n opsie om my vrou se huidige dc mee te vervang nie.
    Aanvanklik het ek maar net my aankoop uitgestel, en my huidige een gehou. Daarna n ander voertuig gekoop as my vrou se werkskar (sy doen baie km alleen in voertuig, net die grondpad van plaas af, res teer, so hoef nie 4x4 te wees), en die dc net gehou as skool en toer en kamp kar.

    Maar tyd stap aan. En steeds was daar geen nuwe dc op mark warvoor ek kans gesien het.

    So toe laat bou ek maar een.
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    Default Re: Double Cabs - How Capable is Capable??

    The new Hilux do not have enough ground clearance all round.
    Ground clearance and suspension travel are the factors that almost all of them have lost, probably in the quest to improve on road performance.

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    Default Re: Double Cabs - How Capable is Capable??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bex View Post
    The new Hilux do not have enough ground clearance all round.
    Ground clearance and suspension travel are the factors that almost all of them have lost, probably in the quest to improve on road performance.
    Dis wat my tickle Jors.

    Is die een rerig SOVEEL meer capable as die ander??

    Kom ons vat die Lux, Ranger/Mazda, Triton, Isuzu, Amarok, Mahindra...........as dieselfde driver teen 'n incline moet uit, en Bakkie A stop, en Bakkie B gaan verder.......hoeveel verder gaan Bakkie B rerig gaan??

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    Default Re: Double Cabs - How Capable is Capable??

    These are always such interesting discussions

    For me and my use, the Amarok is just an unbeatable package. Everyone moans about the low ground clearance, but go and measure the following between Rok and i.e. Hilux:

    Clearance under front diff (lowest point)
    Clearance under the middle of the car
    Clearance under the rear diff

    You will see they are very close. The one thing that hampers the Amarok is ground clearance under the side sill. A set of rock sliders will sort that out.
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    Default Re: Double Cabs - How Capable is Capable??

    Standard?

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    Default Re: Double Cabs - How Capable is Capable??

    Quote Originally Posted by Redman View Post
    Standard?

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    Default Re: Double Cabs - How Capable is Capable??

    Quote Originally Posted by Nys View Post
    These are always such interesting discussions

    For me and my use, the Amarok is just an unbeatable package. Everyone moans about the low ground clearance, but go and measure the following between Rok and i.e. Hilux:

    Clearance under front diff (lowest point)
    Clearance under the middle of the car
    Clearance under the rear diff

    You will see they are very close. The one thing that hampers the Amarok is ground clearance under the side sill. A set of rock sliders will sort that out.
    In the dunes the Amarok is unbeatable. On the road long distance I will also take the Amarok.
    On the farm with dirt tracks, dust and rocky offroad trails ill take the Hilux , not because of ground clearance or traction, but because I trust it more. We have had a couple of new Amaroks get stranded out here because they cut out or went into limp mode and VW had to come collect them.

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    Default Re: Double Cabs - How Capable is Capable??

    Soos ek dit verstaan kan die Amarok meeste van die obstacles en goed doen wat enige ander D/c kan doen.
    Die probleem kom egter in as jy stadig teen n bergpas of iets moet op ry vir n lang tyd dan overheat die ratkas omdat hy nie die laer ratios het nie. So die travel en clearences ens is nie noodwendig n probleem nie.
    Selfde met boot launch ens mens het daai laer ratverhoudings nodig.
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    Default Re: Double Cabs - How Capable is Capable??

    It's hard to look past the super select gearbox. I'm not being biased.

    I reckon any 4x4 DC needs LR and DL.

    I would buy the Triton purely on my needs and the gearbox, but i'm not a fan of the current model's look. And 2nd would be Dmax

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    Default Re: Double Cabs - How Capable is Capable??

    capable

    having the ability, fitness, or quality necessary to do or achieve a specified thing.

    This isnt about the vehicle, but about the requirements of the buyer, and the resultant correct or incorrect vehicle choice. On this basis, all DC 4x4s are capable.
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    Default Re: Double Cabs - How Capable is Capable??

    Every year the 4x4 Magazines, TV-shows and YouTube channels do extensive comparisons/tests/reviews on all the 4x4 DC's and every year the results are the same, there is very little difference between them and it boils down to personal preference, intended use, deals and stock available, etc.

    The 4x4 DC's of all the major manufactures are great vehicle but differ in price, fuel economy, perceived reliability, off-road/on-road capabilities etc.

    If you want more capable than standard you need to mod and tweak.
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    Default Re: Double Cabs - How Capable is Capable??

    I used to think like this as well. Wanted the best handling hot hatch, the most capable 4x4 etc. Everything that makes a vehicle best in something, makes it worse in something else.

    At the end of the day this is all pointless. Most of us 4x4 for the fun of it.

    The rest of the time a DC bakkie must be comfortable, safe, light on fuel, comfortable long distance cruiser, comfortable gravel road cruiser and reliable holiday vehicle.

    I don't drive over sand dunes to work, so if my DC 4x4 is not the best on sand who cares?
    I don't rock crawl to the nearest shop, so if my DC 4x4 is not the most capable on rocks who cares?
    I do however drive on tar 90% of the time, I do like gravel roads, and I do like to 4x4.

    And what makes 4x4 fun? Yes a Rubicon with 35" tyres is impressive, but is it really more fun? (I know it is useless on-road, I have driven one) A less capable vehicle makes you choose your line, think, plan, all part of the fun.

    No, I don't want to damage my bakkie, so obviously it must be capable enough so that you can have some fun with.

    All new major brand standard DC 4x4's can do a similar 4x4 trail, some slightly easier than others but does it really matter?

    If you live on a farm and you need to drive a 4x4 route to town every day, it is a different story.
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    Default Re: Double Cabs - How Capable is Capable??

    Sean - ja see Post 5 above, the Header is actually "wrong", should be how capable YOU need you DC to be for your specific needs.

    A farmer in the Kalahari obviously has a different need as opposed to a Guy staying in Randburg - as an allrounder vehicle.

    By the way - my son and I just took a walk, new Mitsu Dealer opened up right next to us a week ago.

    That Triton looks damn nice inside, front is nice, not crazy about that long "bak" though.......and then yes, that Super Select transmission is obviously THE one to have.

    ........maybe also a nice allrounder choice, you have refinement and capability?? Dunno, I've never driven one.

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    Default Re: Double Cabs - How Capable is Capable??

    Just maybe we should arrange a 'Doublecab Shootout"!

    1 vehicle per brand. Stock Standard!

    16 Spookspruit obstacles.

    Spectators are the judges...

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