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    Does anyone know if the Grenadier is destined for South Africa?
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    They list SA as one of their Test locations, so at least they know we exist.
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    Ineos Grenadier review: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/ineos/grenadier

    "... No modern-day monocoque could ever hope to provide quite the same degree of axle articulation, spring travel or sheer climbing ability. It can do things that off-roaders of more modern construction can only dream of. It also feels wonderfully engineered, with an almost Teutonic feel to the rigidity of its structure and weighting of various functions, including the door and boot closures.

    With development still ongoing, itís going to be some time before we get to experience the Grenadier in its final production form. Right now, though, the signs are looking good. It doesnít rewrite the automotive rule book, but then it never set out to.

    Itís refreshingly authentic in what it offers, with the sort of driving characteristics that will no doubt appeal to a select group of people who have long been ignored by traditional car makers. It has bags of charm in its on-road qualities and, from what weíve seen so far, itís virtually unbeatable in low range off road, making few excuses for its traditional construction along the way.

    Ineos Grenadier petrol prototype specifications
    Price £40,000 (estimated) Engine 6 cyls in line, 2998cc, turbocharged, petrol Power 283bhp Torque 332lb ft Transmission 8-speed automatic plus 2-speed transfer case Kerb weight 2650kg (estimated) Top speed 100mph Dimensions 4927(L) x 1930(W) x 2033(H) Towing capacity 3500kg Ground clearance 257.8mm Approach angle 35.9deg Departure angle 35.9deg..."

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    Iíd be very surprised if it came in at 2.6 tons. I canít see it being more than 2.2 tons, but with all things about this project letís wait and see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orxy View Post
    "... No modern-day monocoque could ever hope to provide quite the same degree of axle articulation, spring travel or sheer climbing ability. It can do things that off-roaders of more modern construction can only dream of.
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    I think the Grenadier is going to be something of a modern day version of the SFA Gelandewagen. Nothing wrong with that but for the possible price!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orxy View Post
    "... No modern-day monocoque could ever hope to provide quite the same degree of axle articulation, spring travel or sheer climbing ability.
    Would expect them to get their terminology correct. There is no modern SUV which utilise monocoque construction, most modern cars and SUV's use unibody construction which means the body, floorboards, and major chassis structural support and crash-protection elements are welded into a single structural element for weight saving and better crash protection.

    A monocoque is something different, it is used in high tech race cars and supercars where in the monocoque frame, which is essentially one large body panel, relies on the body panel for its structural integrity to bear tension and compression loads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uys View Post
    Somewhere a Pajero owner just fouled his pants.
    Waarom?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JS-V8 View Post
    Would expect them to get their terminology correct. There is no modern SUV which utilise monocoque construction, most modern cars and SUV's use unibody construction which means the body, floorboards, and major chassis structural support and crash-protection elements are welded into a single structural element for weight saving and better crash protection.

    A monocoque is something different, it is used in high tech race cars and supercars where in the monocoque frame, which is essentially one large body panel, relies on the body panel for its structural integrity to bear tension and compression loads.
    Unibody is a very new description. Monocoque used to be used for years. It is more semantics than anything else really

    Monocoque being french for 'single shell' or a 'single hull'. ... A monocoque is a shell around the car made by using both chassis as the frame in a single construction. This is the most commonly used chassis right now due to the number of advantages of has over the other two chassis.

    See if you can discern any difference between the two in this definition:
    that unibody is an automobile construction technique in which the body is integrated into a single unit with the chassis rather than having a separate body-on-frame while monocoque is a structure design in which the frame and body are built as a single integrated structure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    A monocoque is a shell around the car made by using both chassis as the frame in a single construction. This is the most commonly used chassis right now due to the number of advantages of has over the other two chassis.
    This definition is incorrect.

    Monocoque is a word made up of two words: the Greek word mono (single) and the French word coque (shell). As per definition it is a single shell which is a structural design in which the frame and body are built as a single integrated structure. It refers to any structure that bears all loads, both compressive and tensile, along its skin.

    While unibody is an automobile construction technique in which the body is integrated into a single unit with the chassis rather than having a separate body-on-frame. Body panels are then tacked onto this structure.

    If you’ve ever looked under a car and seen a frame, or even tacked on rails and ribs such as can be found in a unibody car, then you are definitely not looking at a monocoque design. In a monocoque design, the body panels themselves are key structural components.

    If a term has been used incorrectly for years, it does not mean it is correct surely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JS-V8 View Post
    This definition is incorrect.

    If a term has been used incorrectly for years, it does not mean it is correct surely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JS-V8 View Post
    This definition is incorrect.

    Monocoque is a word made up of two words: the Greek word mono (single) and the French word coque (shell). As per definition it is a single shell which is a structural design in which the frame and body are built as a single integrated structure. ?
    Do you have an example in the automotive world?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    I think the Grenadier is going to be something of a modern day version of the SFA Gelandewagen. Nothing wrong with that but for the possible price!
    A mate of mine bought that Gwagon that was on the classifieds.

    Its an absolute beast. It feels so over engineered, like it will never break or die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leeubok View Post
    Waarom?
    Apparently Pajero owners don't know the limitations of what they are driving, even get pulled into a Granadier thread by Toyota drivers . What is the world coming to!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    Do you have an example in the automotive world?
    The 1992 McLaren F1 was the first road going Supercar to be built with a monocoque construction. All following McLaren supercars and many competitors have since been built the same way.

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    Monocoque construction is comparable to an exoskeleton, like insects have.
    It's easy for Formula 1 (and similar) cars to use monocoque construction, since they don't have doors that need to open.

    Therefore most modern passenger cars and many SUVs are built as unibody construction, so that there is still sort of a framework carrying all the loads to which body panels and doors are being mounted.
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    Read an article that predicts the Grenadiar will eventually compete with modern double cabs as a working vehicle, and will have a hard time doing that.

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    My thoughts on the topic - I love the idea of a Grenadier. However, I think the Grenadier has a few challenges ahead of it.

    It will need a well established reputable existing world wide dealer network where it does not compete with the dealer network's model range. I guess BMW will be a logical distribution and after sales service arrangement partner.
    It will need to sell large volumes to justify the massive capital outlay required to develop and launch a stand alone concept, therefore it will need to get governments to buy these for military and similar applications.
    If will need to be a success in America in oder to survive.
    And then the question of price. I will need to be competitively priced against the Jeep and Land Cruiser 70 series. Marketing will float or sink the project.

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    IMHO

    1. A number of people will buy it because it looks like the old Defender
    2. A few won't buy it, because it reminds them of the old Defender
    3. It will have to compete with its competitors as far as price, quality, ability, safety and support network goes.
    4. Although it looks like a Defender, it will have to be at least as good as a 76.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JS-V8 View Post
    Would expect them to get their terminology correct. There is no modern SUV which utilise monocoque construction, most modern cars and SUV's use unibody construction which means the body, floorboards, and major chassis structural support and crash-protection elements are welded into a single structural element for weight saving and better crash protection.

    A monocoque is something different, it is used in high tech race cars and supercars where in the monocoque frame, which is essentially one large body panel, relies on the body panel for its structural integrity to bear tension and compression loads.
    in aoutomitive terms, you super advanced monocoque you are referring to is normally called a space frame chassis, but that really isnít what that thread is about

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scheepers85 View Post
    in aoutomitive terms, you super advanced monocoque you are referring to is normally called a space frame chassis, but that really isnít what that thread is about
    A space frame is a seperate tubular-steel chassis. One could say "body around frame". Monocoque and Unibody are something else, but to my mind there is not enough difference between those two to justify different names.
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