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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Quote Originally Posted by stephenplumb View Post
    There is a GCM (gross combination mass) on older landrovers it was listed as D\T but this refers to the total train mass, of vehicle, plus whatever is on and in it, and the mass of the trailer.

    So to be perfectly clear.

    Your trailer GVM (gross vehicle mass of the trailer only) must be below your tare of the tow vehicle. What your trailer actually weighs is irrelevant if it is below the GVM. What is printed on the GVM of the trailer and what is printed as the Tare on your license disc are the two figures of relevance. (This assumes you are not over the GVM of your trailer and get taken to a weigh bridge.)

    In addition if you tow a trailer below 750kgs that is unbraked, your tow vehicle tare must be double the mass of the unbraked trailer.

    Now coming back to the question of interest, and here I speak with some authority, both because I know the law exactly, and I am in the process of reregistering my trailer, because I was pulled over for this very infraction over the december period.

    Once you go over the tare mass of the towing vehicle, you need to have service/coupled brakes and this is good up to the tow limit of the towing vehicle. In my case my trailer has a GVM of 3500kgs. My amarok is 1930 or thereabouts and by max tow rating is 2800kgs. My boat actually weighs in at 2150 with about 200lt of fuel on board, so I shall re-register the trailer with a GVM of 2350 and I will be totally legal towing that combination with the coupled brakes mentioned above.

    If I were instead to opt for a Discovery 3/4 or nissan patrol, I would be legal as is, provided I lowered the GVM of the trailer as above.

    I hope this makes it all clear.

    Absolutely spot on Stephen. Sadly many people don't understand the law. Just look at how many small cars (less than 1500kg tare) are towing small unbraked trailers with a 750kg GVM.

    I wonder if the OP has an EB or higher class licence?
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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Quote Originally Posted by stephenplumb View Post
    There is a GCM (gross combination mass) on older landrovers it was listed as D\T but this refers to the total train mass, of vehicle, plus whatever is on and in it, and the mass of the trailer.

    So to be perfectly clear.

    Your trailer GVM (gross vehicle mass of the trailer only) must be below your tare of the tow vehicle. What your trailer actually weighs is irrelevant if it is below the GVM. What is printed on the GVM of the trailer and what is printed as the Tare on your license disc are the two figures of relevance. (This assumes you are not over the GVM of your trailer and get taken to a weigh bridge.)

    In addition if you tow a trailer below 750kgs that is unbraked, your tow vehicle tare must be double the mass of the unbraked trailer.

    Now coming back to the question of interest, and here I speak with some authority, both because I know the law exactly, and I am in the process of reregistering my trailer, because I was pulled over for this very infraction over the december period.

    Once you go over the tare mass of the towing vehicle, you need to have service/coupled brakes and this is good up to the tow limit of the towing vehicle. In my case my trailer has a GVM of 3500kgs. My amarok is 1930 or thereabouts and by max tow rating is 2800kgs. My boat actually weighs in at 2150 with about 200lt of fuel on board, so I shall re-register the trailer with a GVM of 2350 and I will be totally legal towing that combination with the coupled brakes mentioned above.

    If I were instead to opt for a Discovery 3/4 or nissan patrol, I would be legal as is, provided I lowered the GVM of the trailer as above.

    I hope this makes it all clear.
    Thank you for your reply.
    Am I then interpreting the article incorrectly?
    It states that the trailer's GVM may not exceed the Towing vehicles GVM.
    So, in your case, the trailer's GVM may not exceed 1930kg (the GVM of your Amarok)?

    The rated Towing capability of your Amarok (and any other vehicle) is irrelevant, according to the new laws. I think this is what Reenen mentioned before. We are sold towing ratings of vehicles that are irrelevant to the what the law states we are allowed.

    I know this horse has been beaten to death, but there appears to be so much confusion abound.

    I do hope your upgrades works and provide the fine free towing you plan for, I am seriously considering the same.
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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Quote Originally Posted by swakop_toe View Post

    Just some semantics.
    Thank you for your reply.
    Am I then interpreting the article incorrectly?
    It states that the trailer's GVM may not exceed the Towing vehicles GVM (Should be changed to Tare) Tare is the mass of the vehicle with all fluids, but not much else, and is usually slight lower than the kerb mass, which is irrelevant here anyway.
    So, in your case, the trailer's GVM may not exceed 1930kg (the GVM (Tare mass)of your Amarok)?

    The rated Towing capability of your Amarok (and any other vehicle) is irrelevant, according to the new laws. I think this is what Reenen mentioned before. We are sold towing ratings of vehicles that are irrelevant to the what the law states we are allowed. No not true. You can tow up to the tare mass with overrun brakes, and then beyond that you need coupled/service brakes, up to the rated tow limit of the tow vehicle.

    I know this horse has been beaten to death, but there appears to be so much confusion abound.

    I do hope your upgrades works and provide the fine free towing you plan for, I am seriously considering the same.
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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Quote Originally Posted by GeckoCampers View Post
    Absolutely spot on Stephen. Sadly many people don't understand the law. Just look at how many small cars (less than 1500kg tare) are towing small unbraked trailers with a 750kg GVM.

    I wonder if the OP has an EB or higher class licence?
    Yes i was seriously considering a Suzuki (that little jeep thingy) but it actually had no tow rating at all. I would have done quite nicely towing my rubber duck around but would not have been a legal combination even with a braked axle.

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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Quote Originally Posted by stephenplumb View Post
    Yes as long as you have coupled brakes.

    Look at

    https://www.hydrastarusa.com/products/

    For trailer braking solution and

    https://www.redarc.com.au/trailer-brakes

    For the in vehicle controller. I am about to pull the trigger on both if you want to do a group purchase. You are then completely legal as long as you stay within the GCM of the tow vehicle and below the trailer mass permitted by the manufacturer.
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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Lyk of dit nou wettig is. Eindelik
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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Yes this is an important point. Like many things the law is unclear as there does not exist an SABS approved system in the country and all the law says is that the system must be directly controlled by the vehicle as opposed to the overrun brakes.

    in most cases SABS takes their cue from TUV, or CE or Din or similar so I am pretty sure that will be the same in this case. I don't honestly believe that the capability even exists in this country to properly evaluate such as system any more within SABS.

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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Hoe maklik is die controlers interchangeable tussen voertuie?

    Ek het een sleepwa, maar 4 verskillende sleep voertuie. En ek wissel heel pad tussen hulle met watvek sleep na gelang van situasie.
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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    So anyone selling a Amarok?
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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Quote Originally Posted by Reenen View Post
    Hoe maklik is die controlers interchangeable tussen voertuie?

    Ek het een sleepwa, maar 4 verskillende sleep voertuie. En ek wissel heel pad tussen hulle met watvek sleep na gelang van situasie.
    i was looking at the redarc, and it is mounted into the vehicle, and then needs a vehicle specific hardness etc.

    I have heard of others that just need a cigarette lighter connection, but have not seen them in action. Eitherway it needs to send a signal out to your wiring harness, I assume through one of the unused pins on the trailer connector, so not sure they are totally removable. I am looking at one for my amarok and one for the madams fortuner.

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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Eish, 3000kg is heavy enough to tow, but 3000L of moving mass
    I drove 10 000L tankers in the Army. It only drove well when either empty or full.
    As soon as the level drops, the movement becomes poor, even with internal baffles.

    Put a flowbin on the back of your bakkie, fill it only halve and drive it around a bit.
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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Yes the moving liquid is a huge issue not fun at all thus I want to buy the best bakkie for the job.

    I do have other trucks eg a 21 000L and 49 000 tankers so we are familiar with the feeling
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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    What is the empty weight of the trailer?

    3000L of diesel weighs more or less 2.55T.

    Two good videos when looking at double cabs as tow vehicle.


    https://youtu.be/oI8Rj32Afwo

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    https://youtu.be/o93K1_1DI1c
    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Yes the moving liquid is a huge issue not fun at all thus I want to buy the best bakkie for the job.

    I do have other trucks eg a 21 000L and 49 000 tankers so we are familiar with the feeling
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    I use to tow the diesel trailer around on the mine in my disco td5 that is also rated for 3.5t. I promise you over 2t its heavy and it shakes the car back and forth. 3t when its full it is more stable but its moer heavy.
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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    An 3000 litre Fuel trailer
    Marco, if you drive fuel tanker trucks you would already know this. For those that don't, another legal issue with such a trailer is the dangerous goods regulations. If you have more than 1000 liters of diesel or 500 liters of petrol on a vehicle or trailer the vehicle or trailer must be registered to transport dangerous goods, and comply with all dangerous goods regulations. The driver must have a valid PrDP for dangerous goods with a valid dangerous goods certificate.

    Personally I would not tow such a heavy trailer with a standard bakkie. I would either get a smaller trailer or get considerably heavier tow vehicle.
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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Ons het al n paar treilers met elektriese remme gebou (industriele gebruik, met tenke, pompe ens).

    Almal by SABS laat goedkeur, deur padwaardigheid en gelisensieer.

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    Sal verkieslik vir elke sleepvoertuig sy eie stelsel moet insit.
    (Gekoppel aan brake light switch, beheer paneeltjie (verstelbaar) in, ons het aparte bedrading na agter ingesit met n prop wat aan treiler bedrading koppel (deur hulle voorsien).

    3.5 T enkel aste gebruik.

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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    A trailer capable of carrying a 3T lid will probably weigh at least 700kgs? How much will the tanks and other ancillaries weigh? Add 2,5t of dynamic load. Even with just a total load of 2t (including trailer) we can feel it pushing our bakkies around if we load it wrong (very sensitive to bose weight) or if it is in flow bins.

    While the Amarok will be able to do it sort of decently in a straight line, the trailer might push it around, and you are flirting with insurance that just needs to find a way to repudiate a claim. Add transport of dangerous goods and the possible liabilities that go hand in hand with it, you are exposing yourself to unnecessary risk.

    You might not want to hear this, or care about my opinion, but I'm sorry, I think you are trying to use the wrong spanner for the job.

    I'm saying this a dangerous goods transport operator who specialises in loads of that size. We just transport chemicals instead of fuel.

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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Yes the moving liquid is a huge issue not fun at all thus I want to buy the best bakkie for the job.
    I reckon a Hino 300 series or Isuzu 'n series is the right vehicle for the job. Even better if the tanks are removable and it can be used for other loads as well.l when not moving fuel.

    And then have whatever bakkie you want for your personal use.

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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Trailer weight is 384kg


    Quote Originally Posted by Tom13 View Post
    What is the empty weight of the trailer?

    3000L of diesel weighs more or less 2.55T.

    Two good videos when looking at double cabs as tow vehicle.


    https://youtu.be/oI8Rj32Afwo

    And

    https://youtu.be/o93K1_1DI1c
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