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    Default Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Hey Guys

    I'm in the market for an Amarok V6 Extrme +- R700 000

    I've never owned a vw but, need something that can tow a 3 ton trailer from time to time
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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Do you want an Amarok Extreme or do you want a vehicle that can tow a 3 ton trailer legally?
    The Amarok's empty weight is around 2000 kg, so it can't legally tow a trailer with a 3 ton GWM.
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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Mmmmm defnitief something that can tow 3 tons legally

    Why does vw then say it can tow 3500kg? Same with the Hilux 3500kg?

    I can't think of any vehicle that weighs 3000kg empty
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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Mmmmm defnitief something that can tow 3 tons legally

    Why does vw then say it can tow 3500kg? Same with the Hilux 3500kg?

    I can't think of any vehicle that weighs 3000kg empty
    Do a search on tow ratings. This has been debated and discussed many times before. The problem is the law, not the vehicle's capability.

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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Hoe sleep julle meer as 2 ton (of in baie rare gevalle 2,5 ton) wettig?

    Ek sien gereel dat daar genoem word van 3 ton, of 3.5 ton sleepvermoe van n voertuig, maar dit is maar net n sales gimmick. Jy kan elkgeval nie veel meer as 2 ton wettig sleep nie.
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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Marco, 3 tons is a ###### lot of weight.

    What do you intend on towing?
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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    I know its not a Pajero, but I recommend this:

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    I drive a fire engine red Cruiser and tow an army inspired van.

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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Quote Originally Posted by Reenen View Post
    Hoe sleep julle meer as 2 ton (of in baie rare gevalle 2,5 ton) wettig?

    Ek sien gereel dat daar genoem word van 3 ton, of 3.5 ton sleepvermoe van n voertuig, maar dit is maar net n sales gimmick. Jy kan elkgeval nie veel meer as 2 ton wettig sleep nie.
    Ek verstaan dit ook nie.
    Ek sleep gereeld 1.5-2t met die bakkie. Maar noord van 2t is dit net nie lekker nie.
    Dan vat ek een van die trokke, met die vrag of bo op, of agterna as dit moet.

    Daar is nie 'n manier dat ek iets soos 'n groot ski boot met 'n bakkie sal sleep nie. Nie ver nie altans. Sal dot met die trok stuur tot in stilbaai, en dan launch met die bakkie as die bakkie kan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Mmmmm defnitief something that can tow 3 tons legally

    Why does vw then say it can tow 3500kg? Same with the Hilux 3500kg?

    I can't think of any vehicle that weighs 3000kg empty
    There are manufacturer limitations, like the 3500 kg tow rating and then there is the South African Roads Traffic act. The Roads Traffic Act limits e.g. the speed you may travel at (your vehicle can certainly drive faster than 120 km/h) and the GVM of the trailer WITH RUN IN BRAKES, which may not exceed the Tare of the tow vehicle.

    If you want to tow heavy, you must look at Nissan Patrol station wagon or similar, not much choice out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HugoNotte View Post
    There are manufacturer limitations, like the 3500 kg tow rating and then there is the South African Roads Traffic act. The Roads Traffic Act limits e.g. the speed you may travel at (your vehicle can certainly drive faster than 120 km/h) and the GVM of the trailer WITH RUN IN BRAKES, which may not exceed the Tare of the tow vehicle.

    If you want to tow heavy, you must look at Nissan Patrol station wagon or similar, not much choice out there.
    My Patrol Y61 Tarra was 2215kg
    The Current one is 2662kg if I remember correctly

    Just to put that into perspective, my current Ranger has a Tarra of 2024kg
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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Dinkdie geregistreerde tarra van my patrol sc bakkie is 2200kg, my grx stasiewa 2400kg, en my dc patrol 2700kg. Ongeag dat hulle mag 3500kg sleep volgrns vervaardiger, sê wet 2.2, 2.4, en 2.7 onderskyndenlik.

    En n 2.7 ton tarra voertuig is n massiewe voertuig.

    N vergelyking: my lykswa:



    My dc patrol is groter en langer as die lykswa.
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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    The vehicles that comes the closest to 3T.

    Land Cruiser 200 - 2740kg
    Patrol Y62 - 2746kg
    Old early 2000 Ford F250 - 3992kg but requires different drivers license

    What else?
    Mitsubishi Pajero 3.2 D-ID GLX LWB

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    Reenen, dis nou fyn brag daai met 'n hoofletter "F"
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    Laas toe ek navraag gedoen het, was daar geen wettige alternatief vir inloop remme in SA vir ligte voertuie nie.
    Vragmotors gebruig posetiewe lugdruk remme. Hulle gebruik lug druk om remme los te maak. Indien daar n sisteem fout opval (lugdruk pyp bars, verlies aan lugdruk), slaan sleepwa remme vas.

    Elektriese en vakuum stelsel wat as alternatief vir inloop remme gebruik word, gebruik elektrisiteit of vakuum om remme te aktifeer. Indien n fout opdaag, is daar geen fail safe nie. Dus is daar geen sisterm toe goedgekeur naas inloop nie. (Indien dit al verander het, asb, help my reg, ek kort dringend n alternatief vir inloop)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reenen View Post
    Laas toe ek navraag gedoen het, was daar geen wettige alternatief vir inloop remme in SA vir ligte voertuie nie.
    Vragmotors gebruig posetiewe lugdruk remme. Hulle gebruik lug druk om remme los te maak. Indien daar n sisteem fout opval (lugdruk pyp bars, verlies aan lugdruk), slaan sleepwa remme vas.

    Elektriese en vakuum stelsel wat as alternatief vir inloop remme gebruik word, gebruik elektrisiteit of vakuum om remme te aktifeer. Indien n fout opdaag, is daar geen fail safe nie. Dus is daar geen sisterm toe goedgekeur naas inloop nie. (Indien dit al verander het, asb, help my reg, ek kort dringend n alternatief vir inloop)
    Die Amerikaners praat van 'n "break away switch and cable" .

    Dit is op elektroniese remme.

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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    Quote Originally Posted by MANDREAS View Post
    Marco, 3 tons is a ###### lot of weight.

    What do you intend on towing?
    An 3000 litre Fuel trailer
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    Default Re: Wanted: Amarok V6 Extreme

    The most important question to me is

    If I tow a 3 ton trailer with a bakkie that is rated for 3.5 tons and I have an accident wil the insurance pay out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    The most important question to me is

    If I tow a 3 ton trailer with a bakkie that is rated for 3.5 tons and I have an accident wil the insurance pay out?
    Yes as long as you have coupled brakes.

    Look at

    https://www.hydrastarusa.com/products/

    For trailer braking solution and

    https://www.redarc.com.au/trailer-brakes

    For the in vehicle controller. I am about to pull the trigger on both if you want to do a group purchase. You are then completely legal as long as you stay within the GCM of the tow vehicle and below the trailer mass permitted by the manufacturer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephenplumb View Post
    Yes as long as you have coupled brakes.

    Look at

    https://www.hydrastarusa.com/products/

    For trailer braking solution and

    https://www.redarc.com.au/trailer-brakes

    For the in vehicle controller. I am about to pull the trigger on both if you want to do a group purchase. You are then completely legal as long as you stay within the GCM of the tow vehicle and below the trailer mass permitted by the manufacturer.
    I stand to be corrected. I think you meant "GVM of the Towing vehicle"?
    And I qoute.
    "However, should the trailer be equipped with its own braking system and fall into the category of 751 kg to 3 500 kg GVM, then the Tarre of the drawing vehicle must be more than or equal to the GVM of the trailer! If you have brakes fitted to the trailer you can tow up to your vehicle’s GVM providing that you do not exceed the 3500 kg trailer GVM. If you are going to tow a trailer that exceeds 3500 kg GVM, the trailer must have a service brake in addition to over-run brakes."

    https://www.caravansa.co.za/towing-t...d%20Australia.

    Yet:
    "According to the South African National Standards (SABS) authority, legislation is constantly amended without promulgation, which means that you and I could be legal one day and illegal the next – without being made aware of the fact."
    Admittedly, this article is 5 years old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swakop_toe View Post
    I stand to be corrected. I think you meant "GVM of the Towing vehicle"?
    And I qoute.
    "However, should the trailer be equipped with its own braking system and fall into the category of 751 kg to 3 500 kg GVM, then the Tarre of the drawing vehicle must be more than or equal to the GVM of the trailer! If you have brakes fitted to the trailer you can tow up to your vehicle’s GVM providing that you do not exceed the 3500 kg trailer GVM. If you are going to tow a trailer that exceeds 3500 kg GVM, the trailer must have a service brake in addition to over-run brakes."

    https://www.caravansa.co.za/towing-t...d%20Australia.

    Yet:
    "According to the South African National Standards (SABS) authority, legislation is constantly amended without promulgation, which means that you and I could be legal one day and illegal the next – without being made aware of the fact."
    Admittedly, this article is 5 years old.
    There is a GCM (gross combination mass) on older landrovers it was listed as D\T but this refers to the total train mass, of vehicle, plus whatever is on and in it, and the mass of the trailer.

    So to be perfectly clear.

    Your trailer GVM (gross vehicle mass of the trailer only) must be below your tare of the tow vehicle. What your trailer actually weighs is irrelevant if it is below the GVM. What is printed on the GVM of the trailer and what is printed as the Tare on your license disc are the two figures of relevance. (This assumes you are not over the GVM of your trailer and get taken to a weigh bridge.)

    In addition if you tow a trailer below 750kgs that is unbraked, your tow vehicle tare must be double the mass of the unbraked trailer.

    Now coming back to the question of interest, and here I speak with some authority, both because I know the law exactly, and I am in the process of reregistering my trailer, because I was pulled over for this very infraction over the december period.

    Once you go over the tare mass of the towing vehicle, you need to have service/coupled brakes and this is good up to the tow limit of the towing vehicle. In my case my trailer has a GVM of 3500kgs. My amarok is 1930 or thereabouts and by max tow rating is 2800kgs. My boat actually weighs in at 2150 with about 200lt of fuel on board, so I shall re-register the trailer with a GVM of 2350 and I will be totally legal towing that combination with the coupled brakes mentioned above.

    If I were instead to opt for a Discovery 3/4 or nissan patrol, I would be legal as is, provided I lowered the GVM of the trailer as above.

    I hope this makes it all clear.

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