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    Default Wood in Hartbeespoort - Don't Buy Next to the Road

    I lived in Brits for a whole number of years whilst working in Pretoria. I travelled through harties virtually daily, one of my favourite pubs ever is in harties and I'm sort of almost a local in the area. Even though I live in Pretoria now, I regularly cruise through harties on the way to collect my kids, or visit friends, or simply go camping in the bush-veld.

    The following thread is that because despite various posts I've seen on social media advising people not to do so, the number of times I've seen "non-local" vehicles buying wood next to the road in harties is astounding.

    There have been occasions when people have spoken about buying wood there, or mentioned this on WA or posted this on FB. etc. etc. etc.

    I've normally tried to point this out to people when I've gathered that they are not aware of this. So this is not an "uit-trap" post (there are forumites I've pointed this out to before) about the matter. But rather - I'd really like to raise a bit more awareness of this problem.

    In short: Please do not buy wood next to the road in harties.

    Firstly: despite being well-priced, it is really crappy wood. It is normally wet and it is going to have to dry out for a looooong time before you will be able to use it.

    Secondly, and more importantly: it is illegally poached wood. People are destroying the Magaliesberg green belt.

    Carte Blanche actually did an episode on this a year or two ago. I cannot find the video at the moment.

    I cannot remember if this has been mentioned before. If so, mods can feel free to delete this thread and fellow forum members can feel free to smack me. But just my word of caution against a rather problematic practice at the moment.

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    https://twitter.com/carteblanchetv/s...88564592406529
    https://citizen.co.za/news/south-afr...erg-mountains/
    https://kormorant.co.za/2020/02/12/s...sberg-carnage/
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    Default Re: Wood in Hartbeespoort - Don't Buy Next to the Road

    It is a Friday, with a public holiday on Tuesday next week. I presume the roads through to the bushveld will be full this weekend and many people will be travelling through Hartbeespoort.

    So I'm bumping this again.

    Enjoy the weekend everyone and travel safe. But please do not buy your wood next to the road in Hartbeespoort.
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    Default Re: Wood in Hartbeespoort - Don't Buy Next to the Road

    I saw the documentary as well.

    Good post Ian.
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    Default Re: Wood in Hartbeespoort - Don't Buy Next to the Road

    I drove to Harties to collect some new bass rods. Was considering stopping to get some wood, at R10 a bag, why not... Then recalled the Carte Blanche doccie and decided not to... Also, rods needed to go into the empty loadbin and I wasn't going to risk damaging new rods for cheap fire wood...

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    Default Re: Wood in Hartbeespoort - Don't Buy Next to the Road

    Thanks - I just want to raise a bit of awareness of the issue. Every time I drive through there I see people loading up tons of wood next to the road.

    It's cheap, but it's crappy wood. And it is really a problem at the moment.
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    Default Re: Wood in Hartbeespoort - Don't Buy Next to the Road

    Fully support your plea Ian!
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    Default Re: Wood in Hartbeespoort - Don't Buy Next to the Road

    Yip me too..

    I have seen that the wood sellers have become a lot more than what it was a few months ago
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    Default Re: Wood in Hartbeespoort - Don't Buy Next to the Road

    In the past I used to buy my wood there (based on a recommendation on this forum!)

    Last 2 years I have been using goodwood logs (again forum recommendation). It may seem pricy just judging the price per bag vs size but because they are so compact I do believe you get more combustible material per bag than you do with the cheap bags so next to the road. Clean to handle, easy to use, burns nice and hot and leaves minimal ash, plus you can pet yourself on the back for being eco friendly. Only big no-no is that they cannot get wet so has to be stored inside.

    R22/bag if you buy more than 150 and they deliver for free, just watch out as they tend to run out of stock towards the end of the season
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    Default Re: Wood in Hartbeespoort - Don't Buy Next to the Road

    I wonder if those buying this wood on the side of the road would continue doing so if they saw the devastation being caused to the environment by this illegal wood harvesting on the slopes of the Magaliesberg mountain - a World Biosphere Reserve.
    It's heartbreaking.

    Why is the wood is so cheap?
    It's because the wood is stolen.

    So, buying this wood is buying stolen goods - it's illegal.
    It's like paying bribes - it's illegal.

    Everyone knows this.
    Do you and others care enough or have the moral strength to say No!

    Some do, but unfortunately most don't.
    I wish that would change.
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    Default Re: Wood in Hartbeespoort - Don't Buy Next to the Road

    Quote Originally Posted by PRA View Post
    I wonder if those buying this wood on the side of the road would continue doing so if they saw the devastation being caused to the environment by this illegal wood harvesting on the slopes of the Magaliesberg mountain - a World Biosphere Reserve.
    It's heartbreaking.

    Why is the wood is so cheap?
    It's because the wood is stolen.

    So, buying this wood is buying stolen goods - it's illegal.
    It's like paying bribes - it's illegal.

    Everyone knows this.
    Do you and others care enough or have the moral strength to say No!

    Some do, but unfortunately most don't.
    I wish that would change.
    I've chatted with a bunch of people about this.

    I honestly think that people don't really know that it is stolen / poached wood.

    I mean - it is so in your face obviously being sold next to the road, that one cannot really believe that it is illegal.

    Technically, I presume this needs to be dealt with by some arm of government - law enforcement / environmental affairs / etc. But there seems to be no political willpower to do so.
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    Default Re: Wood in Hartbeespoort - Don't Buy Next to the Road

    Sadly this is why I am now 100 % SPAR Briquettes for the last decade Miss my hardekool fires >> but at the rate the human race consumes our heritage there will be nothing left > If you Really have to use wood then alien stuff like Rooikrans etc is the way to go

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    Quote Originally Posted by iandvl View Post
    I've chatted with a bunch of people about this.

    I honestly think that people don't really know that it is stolen / poached wood.

    I mean - it is so in your face obviously being sold next to the road, that one cannot really believe that it is illegal.

    Technically, I presume this needs to be dealt with by some arm of government - law enforcement / environmental affairs / etc. But there seems to be no political willpower to do so.
    This was exactly how I fell into the trap of buying 10 bags (which I still have in my carport). Had I known the story, I wouldn't have touched the wood, but at R10 per bag it seemed a bargain. Firewood in Fourways sells for around R40 per bag - and to be honest I have no idea where that comes from either! It's marketed as Namibian hardwood, but who knows...
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    Default Re: Wood in Hartbeespoort - Don't Buy Next to the Road

    Who ever buys from them are also supporting the illegal imagrants mostly.

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    Default Re: Wood in Hartbeespoort - Don't Buy Next to the Road

    Thanks Ian.

    And ITS NOT EVEN SEKELBOS. Do we even have sekelbos trees in harties?

    Its the poor Karee trees theyre selling. All that wood does is smoke cos theyve cut the trees yesterday and selling them today.

    One day when Im big Im going to put up a huge billboard here saying dont buy the wood!
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    Default Re: Wood in Hartbeespoort - Don't Buy Next to the Road

    I'm not doubting anybody's word here. If you say it is a big problem, I take your word at face value.

    How does one extrapolate this out to Mangoes, and Grapes, and Avo's, etc etc.

    On the one hand you may be supporting an elicit trade, on the other hand you may be feeding a family legitimately.

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    There is a Caltex garage on the corner of Solomon Mahlangu and Cradock Ave next to Theo's, can I buy wood there. I visit Theo's for Ladies Russian and Chips a few times a month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    I'm not doubting anybody's word here. If you say it is a big problem, I take your word at face value.

    How does one extrapolate this out to Mangoes, and Grapes, and Avo's, etc etc.

    On the one hand you may be supporting an elicit trade, on the other hand you may be feeding a family legitimately.

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    There is a Caltex garage on the corner of Solomon Mahlangu and Cradock Ave next to Theo's, can I buy wood there. I visit Theo's for Ladies Russian and Chips a few times a month.
    I was chatting with Jakes (aka Jelo) just now. Apparently the wood cutting syndicate in Harties is run by a Mnungu. He buys the wood from the informal settlement at ten-rooms, packages it and delivers it to the sellers. He is often seen, but has some arrangement with the SAPS.

    I'm not sure of where Theo's is. I also don't see an intersection of Solomon Mahlangu and Cradock. The places where I buy my wood in Pretoria are:

    The Total garage in Solomon Mahlangu opposite Waterskloof Highschool.
    The Engen garage on the corner of Solomon Mahlangu and Atterbury.
    A place around the corner from where I stay in Garsfontein.
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    Default Re: Wood in Hartbeespoort - Don't Buy Next to the Road

    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    I'm not doubting anybody's word here. If you say it is a big problem, I take your word at face value.

    How does one extrapolate this out to Mangoes, and Grapes, and Avo's, etc etc.

    On the one hand you may be supporting an elicit trade, on the other hand you may be feeding a family legitimately.

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    There is a Caltex garage on the corner of Solomon Mahlangu and Cradock Ave next to Theo's, can I buy wood there. I visit Theo's for Ladies Russian and Chips a few times a month.
    No. Avos next to road is never legitimate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reenen View Post
    No. Avos next to road is never legitimate
    Neither are the apples next to the road at Grabouw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reenen View Post
    No. Avos next to road is never legitimate
    My understanding from ZZ2 (which produces tons of tomatoes an avos), is that they sell to informal traders that then on-sells their products from their bakkies in the townships. i.e. not all of their produce goes by truckload to SPAR. It is a big business and effectively employs more than a 100,000 people, and feeds many more.
    What would stop that same entrepeneur from selling from the road?

    I am not convinced that it is necessarily always illegitimate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patroller View Post
    My understanding from ZZ2 (which produces tons of tomatoes an avos), is that they sell to informal traders that then on-sells their products from their bakkies in the townships. i.e. not all of their produce goes by truckload to SPAR. It is a big business and effectively employs more than a 100,000 people, and feeds many more.
    What would stop that same entrepeneur from selling from the road?

    I am not convinced that it is necessarily always illegitimate.



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