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    On the bright side, no one lost their lives or a loved one?
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    A report and some pics - also adds : "A senior UCT staff member tweeted that the Bolus herbarium and library are safe"

    https://www.groundup.org.za/article/...and-knowledge/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estee View Post
    On the bright side, no one lost their lives or a loved one?
    I suppose so. But in this case, history artifacts etc to me are more important to lives, We are "expendable", with a finite life, especially in the new SA. For example, the library and it's contents are much more valuable to society than I would ever hope to be. This fire will no doubt result in plenty of financial and emotional hardship for many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estee View Post
    On the bright side, no one lost their lives or a loved one?

    Hmmm ... yes, ...if you're REALLY grasping for a silver lining!

    Sadly lots of wildlife suffering death and horrific injury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duncang View Post
    Lets hope he gets community service and not free board and lodging ?
    Let's NOT.
    Rather, let's hope he gets dropped off in the middle of the hot zone, instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morne - Skip View Post
    what can you possibly gain from doing this
    Politics makes for interesting bedfellows.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeml View Post
    I suppose so. But in this case, history artifacts etc to me are more important to lives, We are "expendable", with a finite life, especially in the new SA. For example, the library and it's contents are much more valuable to society than I would ever hope to be. This fire will no doubt result in plenty of financial and emotional hardship for many.
    UCT has Digital Copies of everything lost in the Library

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    This is the most up to date report that I could find

    https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/arti...secutive%20day
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Betts View Post
    UCT has Digital Copies of everything lost in the Library
    Hi Peter, no they don't. Some of the material had been digitised, but much of it hadn't. It's a massive process, especially as many of the donated collections are in the process of being catalogued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Weaver View Post
    Hi Peter, no they don't. Some of the material had been digitised, but much of it hadn't. It's a massive process, especially as many of the donated collections are in the process of being catalogued.
    That's a big loss! What digitising method do they use? This is a massive task.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeml View Post
    That's a big loss! What digitising method do they use? This is a massive task.
    Hi Mike, not sure - I've only been involved on the video side, where old Betacam and 3/4 inch tapes are digitised, which is a straight conversion process.
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    It is a very sad business but I have more or less reconciled myself to "this is Africa". What some see as priceless historical artefacts many others see as irrelevant and "what is the fuss"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeml View Post
    the library and it's contents are much more valuable to society.
    Only if the society in question values the items. Unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mudgrubber View Post
    It is a very sad business but I have more or less reconciled myself to "this is Africa". What some see as priceless historical artefacts many others see as irrelevant and "what is the fuss"?
    Exactly how I feel unfortunately.
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    We've become fatalistic
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    Quote Originally Posted by mudgrubber View Post
    It is a very sad business but I have more or less reconciled myself to "this is Africa". What some see as priceless historical artefacts many others see as irrelevant and "what is the fuss"?
    Not sure what "Africa" has to do with valuing history and heritage, it's a modern worldwide phenomenon, read up the opposition to spending money to repair Notre Dame. Hell, I know people my own age, good old colonial stock, that can't imagine why I value books that my grandparents left behind.

    Me, don't even use a kindle because I like the feeling of a book in my paws. It's personal, not cultural. In fact Africans are very reverend towards artifacts and history, superstitiously so, probably more than the average European.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plunger View Post
    I dont understand how a tree can combust meters away from a fire. Does it need an ember or does the sorrounding atmosphere get so hot it gets to a combustable temperature. If so that must be scary because if you are trapped in a building like that, even if you were sitting in a bath of water the air would be so hot your lungs would blister.

    Sad to see historic stuff going up in flames.
    Maybe it has been said before, I haven't read all the posts.

    But in a fire like this and with high winds superheated air can move across big distances in waves and ignite everything combustible where it touches down.
    On my property in the 2019 Betty's Bay fire I found a melted aluminium pot laying in the rocks.
    Aluminium melts at 660 degC, that's what gives an indicator of superheated air.
    It does not need embers to ignite anything, the heat is good enough for that.

    I was witnessing the early stages of that 2019 fire spreading and fire waves moved at 150 meters a second to and everything on touch down just combusted instantaneously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gungets Tuft View Post
    Not sure what "Africa" has to do with valuing history and heritage, it's a modern worldwide phenomenon, read up the opposition to spending money to repair Notre Dame. Hell, I know people my own age, good old colonial stock, that can't imagine why I value books that my grandparents left behind.

    Me, don't even use a kindle because I like the feeling of a book in my paws. It's personal, not cultural. In fact Africans are very reverend towards artifacts and history, superstitiously so, probably more than the average European.
    Although I don't disagree with you I think maybe the reference was more along the lines of "valuing a history or heritage that you don't like or believe in"... and yes it is a worldwide problem. It pains me to see 5000 year old statues dynamited in the middle east or pulling down or defacing Rhodes' statue (especially while taking the generous bursaries etc with the other hand or the burning of books anywhere in the world.

    +1 on holding a real book as opposed to a kindle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalahari Safari View Post
    Maybe it has been said before, I haven't read all the posts.

    But in a fire like this and with high winds superheated air can move across big distances in waves and ignite everything combustible where it touches down.
    On my property in the 2019 Betty's Bay fire I found a melted aluminium pot laying in the rocks.
    Aluminium melts at 660 degC, that's what gives an indicator of superheated air.
    It does not need embers to ignite anything, the heat is good enough for that.

    I was witnessing the early stages of that 2019 fire spreading and fire waves moved at 150 meters a second to and everything on touch down just combusted instantaneously.
    Yes, superheated air is sufficient to cause things to "spontaneously" combust. That's why fires spread so quickly in houses. Curtains / couches etc on the other side of a room flame up purely due to heat without any sparks involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gungets Tuft View Post
    Not sure what "Africa" has to do with valuing history and heritage, it's a modern worldwide phenomenon, read up the opposition to spending money to repair Notre Dame. Hell, I know people my own age, good old colonial stock, that can't imagine why I value books that my grandparents left behind.

    Me, don't even use a kindle because I like the feeling of a book in my paws. It's personal, not cultural. In fact Africans are very reverend towards artifacts and history, superstitiously so, probably more than the average European.
    Sorry, but I see a huge difference between "Opposition to spending money to repair Notre Dame" and "Celebrating the Burning down of the UCT library"

    Mbhazima Shilowa questions those 'celebrating' the burning of UCT's library with 'our own stories'

    https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/sou...r-own-stories/

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