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    Hi guys, I have not posted or been on the forum for some time. After going through NICU with a premature baby, changing jobs the same town, I just have not had the time.

    I have just sold my 1997 Prado Diesel and need a replacement. The Prado was lovely but swayed when sitting in the back. More than one owner has told me that is what they do... But my wife and daughter got sooo car sick they would not ride in it anymore.

    I am in New Zealand and want something that will be used for longer trips, but I want something I can go with on gravel roads to the ski slopes. So mostly mud and snow. I have a limited budget.

    My list so far:
    - Freelander 2, 2011/12 3.2 petrol
    - Hyundai Santa Fe 2010-2013 diesel
    - Jeep Cherokee 2005 abouts. Petrol
    - Subaru Forester around 2010-2012 petrol
    - Outlander, prob around 2010-2012 as well, petrol.

    Any other suggestions?

    Thank you
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    Default Re: Which allround Softroader

    In terms of build quality and shear driving pleasure the Forester stands out above the rest. If fuel consumption is not a top concern for you the 2.5 turbo is a delight to drive. I would dump the Freelander from your list and put the Jeep at the bottom. Then go test drive the rest....... .

    P.S Parts availability for a 2005 Jeep could be an issue.
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    Default Re: Which allround Softroader

    Add the Nissan Xtrail to your list.
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    Suzuki Grand Vitara
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    Default Re: Which allround Softroader

    Quote Originally Posted by Groenman View Post
    Add the Nissan Xtrail to your list.
    Which X Trail?
    Mostly 2010, 2lt Petrols available, no diesels
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWM View Post
    Suzuki Grand Vitara
    Boot space really small ?
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    Default Re: Which allround Softroader

    Xtrail great car I was put off by constant clutch issues. I would also add the Rav4 to the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogo View Post
    Boot space really small ?
    GV boot is 400 litres, I haven't had any space issues yet

    OP Subaru spares are easy to come by in Aus/NZ, I think a Forester is the one to get if you wont be needing serious rock-crawling ability, 2.5 turbo can be a gem
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    Default Re: Which allround Softroader

    The Sante fe on your list is a very nice allround vehicle.
    The subaru and outlander are nice cars but fuel consumption is not great

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    What about a Jeep Patriot.
    I was very happy with mine and even considered buying another one for my wife recently.

    It is deceptively spacious and the boot is nice and square.

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    Default Re: Which allround Softroader

    Quote Originally Posted by gogo View Post
    Which X Trail?
    Mostly 2010, 2lt Petrols available, no diesels
    The 2010-2014 T31 2.0 Xtrails are fine. Fairly economical and basic. The 2.4 4x4 is even better, with a great AWD system.

    I don't have any experience with the diesels.

    My parents have the T31 2.0 petrol. Now on 170 000km and no issues. They satyed in a town where only access is a really bad and corrugated gravel road. Xtrail had no issues and really did well.

    It's still going strong, with recent money spent on shocks, bushes etc - all wear and tear.
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    To be honest I have experience only with the Freelander 2 SD4 SE - never been in one of the other vehicles on your list. I am super happy with my 2012 FL, SWAMBO and the kids love it. Again, I have no experience and have limited knowledge on the other vehicles in your list. From my own research when buying my Freelander I found only good reviews about the traction control - especially the snow/ice option.

    I would dump the Freelander from your list...
    Like, why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabousBeer View Post
    To be honest I have experience only with the Freelander 2 SD4 SE - never been in one of the other vehicles on your list. I am super happy with my 2012 FL, SWAMBO and the kids love it. Again, I have no experience and have limited knowledge on the other vehicles in your list. From my own research when buying my Freelander I found only good reviews about the traction control - especially the snow/ice option.



    Like, why?
    Couldn’t agree more. We have a 2010 Freelander 2 - never a moment’s problem, impeccable road manners, very capable offroad, and very economical.
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    Default Re: Which allround Softroader

    For that age of vehicle Iíd personally opt for the Mitsubishi Outlander. The 2.4 motor is pretty much the same as whatís on their latest model, costing considerably more. It hasnít changed & its a bulletproof car.

    You also get on the GLX:
    - Rockford Fosgate sound including sub in the boot.
    - sunroof
    - Very comfortable leather seats
    - adjustable legroom on the rear seats.
    - sunroof
    - some models had a monitor on the ceiling for the rear passengers.
    - proper 4WD as you can lock the centre.

    Safe bet.

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    Default Re: Which allround Softroader

    Quote Originally Posted by MarshallGTi View Post
    GV boot is 400 litres, I haven't had any space issues yetOP Subaru spares are easy to come by in Aus/NZ, I think a Forester is the one to get if you wont be needing serious rock-crawling ability, 2.5 turbo can be a gem
    You have not seen my wife pack yet. So many "for in case we need it" stuff.😂
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    Default Re: Which allround Softroader

    Groenman, is it not the 2.5 you are referring to? They are still using the 2.5 in the new Xtrail as well as the 2022 Mitsubishi Outlander. Bulletproof engine.

    Is the Santa Fe petrol or diesel?

    Edit. I see you said diesel. Those diesels are also realy nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Groenman View Post
    The 2010-2014 T31 2.0 Xtrails are fine. Fairly economical and basic. The 2.4 4x4 is even better, with a great AWD system.

    I don't have any experience with the diesels.

    My parents have the T31 2.0 petrol. Now on 170 000km and no issues. They satyed in a town where only access is a really bad and corrugated gravel road. Xtrail had no issues and really did well.

    It's still going strong, with recent money spent on shocks, bushes etc - all wear and tear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mambo View Post
    What about a Jeep Patriot.
    I was very happy with mine and even considered buying another one for my wife recently.

    It is deceptively spacious and the boot is nice and square.
    They are not AWD hey?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogo View Post
    They are not AWD hey?
    The 2.4s that we got in SA were, with a lockable centre diff.

    I know in some markets there was a 2.0 FWD option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mambo View Post
    The 2.4s that we got in SA were, with a lockable centre diff.

    I know in some markets there was a 2.0 FWD option.
    Ahh okay thanks, will see if they are here.
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    Default Re: Which allround Softroader

    From my own experience the Xtrail's are quite good, I have a friend that owns one and have driven it on a couple of occasions and was quite impressed with it.

    My FIL had an Outlander, the car was very spacious with a surprisingly large boot, fairly comfortable and problem free. The 2.4 petrol was very thirsty for the size and weight of the car and it was't a sterling performer in my opinion. The CVT box wasn't bad but took some getting used to. The AWD wasn't as good as I had expected, and clearance was fairly low (most cars in this segment would probably have that problem.)

    Not sure about the market in NZ (pricing, parts availability and service centres), but I am very happy with my Q5, very comfortable, spacious and carlike while being surefooted and with plenty of grunt. If you don't have access to a good Audi/VW indie then probably best to stick to the Japanese cars (same would probably go for the FL2)

    I don't see a Mazda CX5 on the list, they are also very highly rated and Japanese so may be worth a look?

    What would your typical use case look like?


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