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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainier Vermaak View Post
    My klasmaat Muller Meiring het in 1988 gesterf. Ons het hom in 2014 GCB toe geskuif, dit was ‘n bittersoet dag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian.McM View Post
    Respect to you all.
    Tx Ian, the logistics were handled by class mates based in Bloem, some who served with Muller.

    We just provided financial assistance and attended the ceremony.


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    A fascinating read, thanks for the link.

    I was at 1 SAI in 1984 for training and went to 4SAI in late 1984 for operational deployment. We deployed up to 61Mech in January 85 to be aflos for the Company that had deployed directly from Bloem to take part in Ops Askari, but we never deployed into Angola and after doing some regular Infantry work out of 61 in the Etosha area, we ended up being spread out at various bases instead.

    I was stationed at 53Bn in Ondangwa and ended up in the Transport Park as a Pool Driver after my back injury put paid to hauling a grootsak around the shateen on patrols.
    We came back Stateside in April after a quiet tour.
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    During the time period of the Lomba River skirmishes and those at Cuito, I was called up for military "camps" as the surgeon in the operational area. It remains unforgettable to have seen firsthand the effects of conventional war on the lives of young men.

    Never forget the mauling experienced by the Unita troops, who by and large had to fend for themselves. Numerically they took the brunt of the casualty and mortality load and suffered terribly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan Weakley View Post
    During the time period of the Lomba River skirmishes and those at Cuito, I was called up for military "camps" as the surgeon in the operational area. It remains unforgettable to have seen firsthand the effects of conventional war on the lives of young men.

    Never forget the mauling experienced by the Unita troops, who by and large had to fend for themselves. Numerically they took the brunt of the casualty and mortality load and suffered terribly.
    Stan, I am glad you mentioned UNITA. I had the privilege of serving with Angolans, mainly UNITA but also in support in the SA forces (212 Btn I think). These were very decent men, brave, ill-equipped in very hard conditions and with very little logistical support or protection (no casevac for them generally). They were not going "back home" after 3 months or a year or so; some had been fighting for 12 years or more, minimal salary if any. Vilified once they had "lost" and, I'm guessing, most ended up desperately poor or worse, many from having middle class lives. I'm nor even going to mention the "Bushmen".

    It was a massively sobering experience and I have never been loyal to politicians or the "country" since, only the odd individual who impressed me; Constand Viljoen, Mandela and van Zyl Slabbert; maybe Zille and Tony Leon. I tell my kids; if your "country" doesn't want you; shake the dust from your sandals and move on. Life is short, try get somewhere stable where you can enjoy it as you get older.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudgrubber View Post
    Stan, I am glad you mentioned UNITA. I had the privilege of serving with Angolans, mainly UNITA but also in support in the SA forces (212 Btn I think). These were very decent men, brave, ill-equipped in very hard conditions and with very little logistical support or protection (no casevac for them generally). They were not going "back home" after 3 months or a year or so; some had been fighting for 12 years or more, minimal salary if any. Vilified once they had "lost" and, I'm guessing, most ended up desperately poor or worse, many from having middle class lives. I'm nor even going to mention the "Bushmen".
    I'm busy reading "Chopper Down" by Carl Alberts and he says that when the EO guys insisted on having a chopper available for Casevac during a contact, the Angolans were completely dumbfounded as to why they'd be so wasteful of resources as to want to go and fetch wounded soldiers who were for all intents and purposes useless to the fight.
    The Saffers would go in to collect wounded and the Angolans had to load themselves into the choppers if they wanted fixing and offload themselves, too.
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    CUDUS to you guys for doing that.

    I will always remember the people i was with in the army. Special and sad memories.

    Regarding the Angolans and bushmen fighting with us, i have witnessed some of them being "casevaced" and i have seen plenty of them in 1mil Hospital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mudgrubber View Post
    Stan, I am glad you mentioned UNITA.
    This UNITA thing really took root even deeper in my appreciation of the Angolan conflict, after we did a 1 month overland tour through Angola in 2016. My interpretation of the situation there made quite an impression on me, as it had not been anticipated.

    I was able to see how that country had emerged from a bloody civil war, where UNITA is now the official opposition to the MPLA government. We travelled extensively in the areas around Huambo, Mavinga and Cuito where UNITA operated in the south. Many villages there continue to freely support UNITA and proudly and legally fly the cockerel UNITA flag. There are one or two ex-Unita soldiers in the Angolan cabinet. Although they lost the civil war, their country treats them with a degree of respect and accords them some freedom to operate as a political party. I was surprised!
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    The problem I see here in SA is that the UNITA acceptance in Angola took a very long and bloody war to forge, and we in SA are not even at the preliminary stages of that level of strife yet, so what road must we travel for the ANC to accept anyone else as legitimate?
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