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    Default Re: We need to define what exactly “camping” is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ama-newbie View Post
    Because they usually are just canvas chalets; well, in most cases. And it detracts from the experience of setting up your own camp.

    Also, they are, like chalets/rondawels, usually set apart from the general campsite, and so you miss out on the camping experience and cameraderie.

    Just my opinion, which is what was asked for...
    No harm intended Rob.

    Just found that portion interesting.

    I don't agree that if someone else pitches a tent on your behalf, it does not amount to camping.
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    Default Re: We need to define what exactly “camping” is.

    Kamp vir my is as jy jou eie slaapplek/blyplek opslaan.

    Karavaan, offroad trailer, camper trailer, tent ens ens.

    Onder daardie is daar menigte verskillende MANIERE om te kamp. Van op die grond slaap op 'n yoga mat tot 'n karavaan met 'n skottelgoedwasser of 'n big screen TV met DTSV.

    As jy in 'n chalet bly of selfs 'n permanente tent waar jy net jou eie kos en klere moet bring, is dit, vir my, nie kamp nie.
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    Default Re: We need to define what exactly “camping” is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    So once the term has been defined or not, then what?

    I struggle to see the point of this quest��
    Francois, die tipe threads is op een ding gemik....sensasie. Iemand gaan vir iemand anders probeer oortuig dat hy/sy beter is as die ander persoon, net omdat hy/sy iets op n sekere manier doen of gebruik. Dit is pointless.

    Camping is "a state of mind". Maak nie saak waar jy is of hoe jy dit doen nie, as jy voel jy kamp, dan doen jy. Screw die ou langsaan....laat hy dink wat hy wil
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    Default Re: We need to define what exactly “camping” is.

    Uhm, who cares what exactly "camping" is.

    It may differ for each person and each situation, as a example:

    1. I go camping in December, popular camping spot not far from home, I take my caravan, it has a huge bed, big fridge, oh yes, and aircon. I load my draught machine and I have craft beer on tap for the duration of my stay. They have excellent ablution facilities and I can stay there for 2 weeks and relax.

    2. I go camping in April, popular camping spot in Mozambique, I take my offroad trailer, load tents, Carmaquip matresses and beds, Snomaster fridge, I leave my draught machine at home, camp in the sand, and did I mention it's Mozambique, the ablution faciilities are not great, but so be it. Again, I can stay there for 2 weeks and relax, however, the government school holidays only allows 10 days max.

    3. I go fishing with mates, I take a tent, I take a coolerbox, sleep on the ground, use my clothes bag as a pillow, beers and meat in the same cooler, shower only when I get home, it's awesome.

    All three these scenarios constitute camping in my eyes, nobody else can judge whether it's camping or not, I'm the one doing the camping, not you!
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    Default Re: We need to define what exactly “camping” is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dewald Posthumus View Post
    Uhm, who cares what exactly "camping" is.

    It may differ for each person and each situation, as a example:

    1. I go camping in December, popular camping spot not far from home, I take my caravan, it has a bed, big fridge, oh yes, and aircon. I load my draught machine and I have craft beer on tap for the duration of my stay. They have excellent ablution facilities and I can stay there for 2 weeks and relax.

    2. I go camping in April, popular camping spot in Mozambique, I take my offroad trailer, load tents, Carmaquip matresses and beds, Snomaster fridge, I leave my draught machine at home, camp in the sand, and did I mention it's Mozambique, the ablution faciilities are not great, but so be it. Again, I can stay there for 2 weeks and relax, however, the ^%^%$%$&* school holidays only allows 10 days max.

    3. I go fishing with mates, I take a tent, I take a coolerbox, sleep on the ground, use my clothes bag as a pillow, beers and meat in the same cooler, shower only when I get home, it's awesome.

    All three these scenarios constitute camping in my eyes, nobody else can judge whether it's camping or not, I'm the one doing the camping, not you!
    I agree.

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    Default Re: We need to define what exactly “camping” is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dewald Posthumus View Post
    Uhm, who cares what exactly "camping" is.

    It may differ for each person and each situation, as a example:

    1. I go camping in December, popular camping spot not far from home, I take my caravan, it has a bed, big fridge, oh yes, and aircon. I load my draught machine and I have craft beer on tap for the duration of my stay. They have excellent ablution facilities and I can stay there for 2 weeks and relax.

    2. I go camping in April, popular camping spot in Mozambique, I take my offroad trailer, load tents, Carmaquip matresses and beds, Snomaster fridge, I leave my draught machine at home, camp in the sand, and did I mention it's Mozambique, the ablution faciilities are not great, but so be it. Again, I can stay there for 2 weeks and relax, however, the ^%^%$%$&* school holidays only allows 10 days max.

    3. I go fishing with mates, I take a tent, I take a coolerbox, sleep on the ground, use my clothes bag as a pillow, beers and meat in the same cooler, shower only when I get home, it's awesome.

    All three these scenarios constitute camping in my eyes, nobody else can judge whether it's camping or not, I'm the one doing the camping, not you!
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    Default Re: We need to define what exactly “camping” is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    Ek was nog nooit in 'n slegte bui nie. Ek hoop ons kan eendag ontmoet om jou te laat besef dat buierigheid nie een van my eienskappe is nie. Ek is bly dat jy plesier daaruit put om my 'n bynaam te gee, dit verbaas my egter soms oor watter dinge jou ('n oogloped intelligente, geleerde persoon) plesier verskaf. Party dinge grens vir my aan kinderagtigheid.



    En net mooi hier beaam jy wat ek met my vraag bedoel het.

    Andrew krabbel nou terug deur die forum mense te beskuldig van allerhande oorreaksie. Let wel sy stelling: "We NEED to define". Dis asof iemand se lewe of bestaan afhang van die definisie van kamp.

    In die afgelope tyd het ek weereens die tendens opgelet dat vir sommige mense dit belangrik is dat hoe hulle dinge doen en wat hulle definisie daarvan is, 'n baie groot premie dra. En ander mense word daaraan gemeet.

    As jy nie met 'n open diff sonder enige hulpmiddels (diff lock, traction control ens) 4x4 nie, dan is jy nie 'n man en regte off roader nie. As jy nie met 'n Scarborough reel visvang nie, dan is jy nie 'n regte hengelaar nie. As jy nie met hardekool uit die Bosveld braai nie, dan is jy nie 'n man en regte braaier nie. As jy enigsins iets drink wat deur SAB vervaardig word, dan skort iets met jou. En les bes, wat jou idee van kamp is bepaal jou statuur.

    So ja noem my ,maar 'n suurknol, maar regtig bogenoemde rits dinge gee my 'n pyn.
    Ja Francois, daar is altyd iemand wat 'n probleem het met enige thread..
    As my vraag jou 'n pyn gee, moet jou dan nie aan my post steur nie.

    Click op die volgende een op die lys.

    My vraag in my opinie, dra wel gewig.

    Volgende het ons mense wat met 4x2's, 4x4...
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    Default Re: We need to define what exactly “camping” is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ama-newbie View Post
    This might be an interesting discussion. Due to my inexperience, I'm contemplating that my first proper touring experience to say Botswana might be done with one of those companies that setup up camp for you every day, and provide the basic meals. For a start they will obviously know the trails, they provide recovery backup, and for a first trip having someone pitch the tent and do the cooking for you while you do all the sightseeing sounds appealing while I get to know the ropes.

    Would that be camping Maybe I could coin a phrase "lazy camping"....
    Off topic I know but I would really recommend planning your own trip. Half the fun of an overlanding trip is the hours spent over a map planning your route. Asking questions from 4x4 Community members. Researching the area.

    Going on a pre-planned trip will give you none of that.

    Most of Botswana is also not nearly as wild as people like to make out, most of this is to justify the insane amounts spent on modifying their vehicles. Provided you pick the right season and don't make stupid decisions you will not put yourself and family at risk at all by not going on a pre-planned trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snyks View Post
    Francois, die tipe threads is op een ding gemik....sensasie. Iemand gaan vir iemand anders probeer oortuig dat hy/sy beter is as die ander persoon, net omdat hy/sy iets op n sekere manier doen of gebruik. Dit is pointless.

    Camping is "a state of mind". Maak nie saak waar jy is of hoe jy dit doen nie, as jy voel jy kamp, dan doen jy. Screw die ou langsaan....laat hy dink wat hy wil

    Jy... moet beter, en meer lees
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    Default Re: We need to define what exactly “camping” is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehog View Post
    I was referring to those who say that staying in a luxury, swimming pool equipped chalet, in the Tankwa, is camping.


    To those who got all defensive about their glamping fetishes, please relax.. I glamp too, but at least it is in a campsite, with items set up by myself.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehog View Post
    Jirre maar hierdie forum kan partykeer die dam onder die eend uit ruk...

    My vraag was eenvoudig:

    Wanneer kamp 'n mens?

    In a chalet (net omdat jy nie by die huis is nie), en omdat jy 'n vuur kan maak, of wanneer jy kamp moet opslaan, en dan kan jy 'n vuurtjie aansteek.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehog View Post
    My OP was based on this Instagram profile:

    https://instagram.com/campingsouthaf...=1onu3f5iyd670
    Quote Originally Posted by Snyks View Post
    Francois, die tipe threads is op een ding gemik....sensasie. Iemand gaan vir iemand anders probeer oortuig dat hy/sy beter is as die ander persoon, net omdat hy/sy iets op n sekere manier doen of gebruik. Dit is pointless.

    Camping is "a state of mind". Maak nie saak waar jy is of hoe jy dit doen nie, as jy voel jy kamp, dan doen jy. Screw die ou langsaan....laat hy dink wat hy wil
    Maybe... you all need the posts all in one place...
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    Default Re: We need to define what exactly “camping” is.

    [QUOTE=Hedgehog;4618903]
    My vraag in my opinie, dra wel gewig.

    /QUOTE]
    Sonder om 'n argument te begin sal ek graag wil hoor wat jou verduideliking is. Eerlik.

    PS. Die Instagram post waarna jy verwys praat van camping, hiking and getaways. Daar is verseker genoeg kamp fotos om die term te regverdig. Al drie die terme word vasgevang in die fotos.
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    Default Re: We need to define what exactly “camping” is.

    Die lekkerste wat ek al gekamp het was 'n hele paar jaar terug toe ek uitgenooi was om met 'n paar konsessie jagters te gaan oes naby Purros.

    Het 'n matras gevat, 'n kussing en 'n koelboks.

    Daar waar ons gekamp het was dit so 50km van die see af (soos die kraai vlieg) so party aande het die mis oor die kampplek gehang en 'n koue wind het deur jou windbreaker geskeur.

    Daar was 'n ###### vuur 24/7.

    Behalwe vir die feit dat jy wakker gemaak word met 'n Jagermeister (vir tandeborsel), was die simplistiese opset en ervaring baie lekker.
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    Default Ramblings of a demented camper longing for oudoors

    Campers habitually, and unconsciously I might add, try to define one another as to their position within the camping fraternity. I think this must go back to the pre-adolescent “my dad can beat up your dad” or “my bike is faster than your bike”. We all seem to have this inbred desire to be stronger, meaner, faster or whatever it is that takes your fancy. The only variable appears to be our age, but I suppose at 6 years of age we can be forgiven……..

    So, having matured into adults we seemingly take with us behavoural patterns learnt in our childhood, these however are translated into more mature behavour. “I don’t use a caravan, I like it rough and off the beaten track in a tent”, meaner. “I prefer diesel powered to petrol powered vehicles”, tougher. “Petrol vehicles are better”, faster. The list is probably endless.

    I suppose the leveler in camping is that it allows people to see more of us than when locked up in our suburban domiciles. We simply cannot avoid taking our rituals and practices with us when we go camping. Whilst musing on these abstract concepts it gets me wondering, assuming one can by choice opt for their preferred method of "camping" with no constraints then we would arrive at these groupings?

    Purists. There are the real adventurous types that scoff at caravans, believing that tenting is the only method of camping, and they love what they do. Oddly they get to their destination with a luxury 4X4 and air conditioner, making extensive use of a GPS’s, cellular phone and other technology available. Strangely however the only satellite technology that appears to be excluded is TV which for some unknown reason is a banned technology not deserving it’s place alongside the GPS set!

    There also tends to be little or no colour in their camps, only carefully selected shades of Khaki and Olive which allow them to blend into the bush. If it were not for the bright red, blue or silver 4X4 they would never find their way home after a walk. These are they who mock those campers who forsake four sides of canvas for 4 sides of aluminium-clad plywood. Surely these campers would also find it beneath them to camp under the cover of a Nylon tent?

    I can like to Camp. Then there are those who like to take all the mod cons with them, and they love what they do. The caravan appears unimportant and is purely a vessel to carry all the paraphernalia. At times it become necessary to attach a trailer to the rear of the caravan just to cram those last bitties into. Here we find less colour coding, bright reds, yellows and purples being the order of the day. There are generally more kW in their TV and sound systems than under their tow-car bonnet.

    These are the individuals who having imbibed sufficiently, find midnight in the KNP the ideal time to entertain their fellow campers at full volume with lion roars from their recently acquired CD of animal calls. For the new camper this might be intimidating but most are not fooled by the drunken laughs that accompany the Lion roars.

    These are also the kind folk who cannot understand the concept of personal space and include you, without your consent, into their laager. Mistaking you for a tennis fan they then shatter the solitude of the wild, for an entire week, demonstrating their finely honed tennis skills with the monotonous tones of a Swing-ball.

    Not only are the audio visual devices loud but also you may be privileged to hear the intimate details of a spousal disagreements. Sensitive husband, who could barley walk from the time they unyoked the oxen, lifted the volume of the conversation to such a degree that all in camp could clearly hear the unfortunate events of the night. At least he let the camp get some sleep from 02:15, he must have passed out again.

    Fence Sitter. Ah, but spare a though for this merry band of unfortunates. Neither fish nor foul they lack the courage to load up and head into the wide blue yonder with nothing save a tent (GPS etc). They too lack the courage to take all possessions along and to display these for all to see and hear. These poor individuals suffer the constant dilemma of tent or van, canvas or nylon. So they reach an unhealthy compromise, a caravan with some of the mod cons, most of which are hidden from view to escape the prying eyes of the purists as they have no desire to be labelled among “I can like to camp” brigade. A tent is acquired for those occasions when circumstances permit “purist” camping.

    Well, having satisfied myself that I could place campers conveniently into neat little boxes I thought why stop here. There must be reasons for camping.

    On the cheap / learner camper. I considered those of limited means who cannot afford expensive holidays. Camping is an ideal holiday option for them, it could also lead as a springboard to being a “Purist”, an “I can like to camp” or “Fence sitter” camper. This is a highly critical time of development in the campers life as his entire future as a camper is about to be decided upon.

    Survivor Camper. Those who love the outdoors and adventure. Swinging from the vines, drinking from their Stetson style bush hats, braving mozzies as it is not manly to make use of repellents, copious quantities of Rum and Coke will suffice. Those who believe that unless you travel over bone jarring terrain that requires a kidney belt you are not cutting it. Those who scoff at Survivor knowing full well that this is a level beneath them.

    Wussie Camper. Those who love being outdoors but not necessarily in mortal combat with a Lion or wrestling a Great White (shark that is). Wussies like these prefer viewing nature from the safe confines of a car, like the comfort of having a shop nearby lest one runs out of the life giving nectar, Amstel. These are they who like the buzz of a campsite in the early evening as fires are stoked and the sundowners begin to anesthetise the affect of the day. Ah …. the smell of a “hardekool” fire as the fist drops of boerewors fat ignites on the coals.

    Poser Campers. Those who believe it to be a “not to be missed opportunity” to display ones newly acquired wealth which has been converted into gadgets and gismo’s. These individuals take with them all their goodies and put them on show. The kitchen sink may be spared as it is firmly attached to the wall but not the fully automatic washing machine, nor tumble drier. A little research would have showed that December in the KNP you could literally watch clothes dry, besides which there are Laundromats ….

    By now I am well into my mindless ramblings (getting pissed) when it occurs to me, there must be reasons campers chose the places we go to.

    Where to next year? These are the type, who on a whim or hearsay will learn of a camping spot and are determined to go there, whether it fits their camping profile or not. These campers sometimes frustrate themselves and others as they do not appreciate what that particular environment means to someone who has worked and waited all year to get there. These are the type that perhaps should understand that no bikes, no noise after 22:00 actually is a rule. This crowd would probably little understand the next lot.

    I know where I am going. These are they who are in no doubt as to where they want to be, whether it be beach, bush or mountains these campers even treasure the build up to the trip. These nutters would find something “spiritual” in their hallowed place as it probably equates to a holy pilgrimage in terms of emotion and intensity. The “where to next year” mob would be of particular irritation to these campers.

    Now the above is by no means a definitive list of camping quirks, merely some of the things that came to mind as I was considering the complexities of camping and campers. I suppose the real reason for this diatribe is that I got to thinking about what the old school would say of what is camping. Two people came to mind, my Dad and a friends Ouma (n regte boere Ouma).

    Dad, when in his early 20's put a U.S. Army surplus rucksack on his back along with a leaky tent. Armed with a revolver and a rifle over his shoulder, he hiked (yes walked, one could do this in the 50's) up into and through what is now Zimbabwe, Zambia, Tanzania, Malawi, Mozambique and back to S.A. This took the period of quiet a few months. If I had to ask him what camping is? I know what he would tell me. He would scoff at a tent apart from rainy days. He would eat mostly from the land and would cook over a wood fire. If you could not keep a fire going you had better drag lots of thorn bushes around you as an early warning system against those things that desired to eat you by night. He would probably scoff at those who even wanted to make use of a motorised vehicle let alone an air-conditioned 4X4.

    Then I considered my friends Ouma who, when close to the end of her days, used to love talking about her life, which was incredible I must say. She remembers travelling in an ox wagon, saw the first manned flight, first steamship, first motor car, first jet airplane, first man on the moon, first PC, what an age to live in. One evening we were making a potjie and she enquired "wat maak julle my kind?". I proceeded to tell her about this relatively new cooking technique (the early 80's saw the awakening of potjiekos through a certain Dominee Matie Brink) of cooking this entire meal in a cast iron pot. She laughed and told me that this was not new and proceeded to explain that when she was young they travelled by wagon. A "seep pot" would hang permanently from the side of the wagon. It was seldom, if ever, washed and there was never a recipe. What you shot went into the pot along with any vegetables you might have to hand, usually wild veggies. You would eat from this pot adding as and when produce was available. Owing to the turnover of food in the pot it never went off. The only time it was cleaned was to periodically make soap (yup that’s why they call it a “seep pot”). The men would sleep under the wagon, a bath was a privilege that only happened when you reached safe waters (crock’s and hippo’s were more abundant then). There were never any fancy gadgets or gizmo's to make life easy. When you ran out of something that was it, make do.

    So I suppose that camping is a relative term. Perhaps the Ossawa complete with overhead disselboom and spoked wheels with steel belts was the first example of a 4X4 with a roof tent. Man those wagons went everywhere. The aforementioned two individuals would probably scoff at the most adventurous for their "over the top style" and as my dad once called my caravan, "a hotel on wheels", it did not deserve to be called camping he said. But this would just invoke yet another debate, “my dad’s camping was harder than your dads” or perhaps even “yeah right my Ouma used to pull the wagon”.

    In conclusion I consider myself to be a well balanced camper. I have camped where Lions have brushed the tent as they walked past, where you need a big rifle just in case, so I suppose there is some Purist in me. Evidently not enough of a Purist as I have a weakness for camping gadgets. I thought God actually gave you this weakness automatically when you bought your first tent / caravan. So yes definitely, I can like to Camp. Fortunately my path through the camping learning curve started with tenting and fires, sitting on the ground through to caravanning. I must be a Fence Sitter as I use both. Having said which I must confess however that my Purist phase was due to me being an On the cheap / learner Camper who did not have two brass cents to rub together. Sadly my Survivor Camper days are over as mommy has limits. When we are able to, the “boys” still do the testosterone thing. So now I am reduced to being a Wussie Camper on the border of Posing as mommy won’t go anywhere unless we also look the part. At least I don’t need to ask Where to Next, as I know where I am Going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Leigh View Post
    Campers habitually, and unconsciously I might add, try to define one another as to their position within the camping fraternity. I think this must go back to the pre-adolescent “my dad can beat up your dad” or “my bike is faster than your bike”. We all seem to have this inbred desire to be stronger, meaner, faster or whatever it is that takes your fancy. The only variable appears to be our age, but I suppose at 6 years of age we can be forgiven……..

    So, having matured into adults we seemingly take with us behavoural patterns learnt in our childhood, these however are translated into more mature behavour. “I don’t use a caravan, I like it rough and off the beaten track in a tent”, meaner. “I prefer diesel powered to petrol powered vehicles”, tougher. “Petrol vehicles are better”, faster. The list is probably endless.

    I suppose the leveler in camping is that it allows people to see more of us than when locked up in our suburban domiciles. We simply cannot avoid taking our rituals and practices with us when we go camping. Whilst musing on these abstract concepts it gets me wondering, assuming one can by choice opt for their preferred method of "camping" with no constraints then we would arrive at these groupings?

    Purists. There are the real adventurous types that scoff at caravans, believing that tenting is the only method of camping, and they love what they do. Oddly they get to their destination with a luxury 4X4 and air conditioner, making extensive use of a GPS’s, cellular phone and other technology available. Strangely however the only satellite technology that appears to be excluded is TV which for some unknown reason is a banned technology not deserving it’s place alongside the GPS set!

    There also tends to be little or no colour in their camps, only carefully selected shades of Khaki and Olive which allow them to blend into the bush. If it were not for the bright red, blue or silver 4X4 they would never find their way home after a walk. These are they who mock those campers who forsake four sides of canvas for 4 sides of aluminium-clad plywood. Surely these campers would also find it beneath them to camp under the cover of a Nylon tent?

    I can like to Camp. Then there are those who like to take all the mod cons with them, and they love what they do. The caravan appears unimportant and is purely a vessel to carry all the paraphernalia. At times it become necessary to attach a trailer to the rear of the caravan just to cram those last bitties into. Here we find less colour coding, bright reds, yellows and purples being the order of the day. There are generally more kW in their TV and sound systems than under their tow-car bonnet.

    These are the individuals who having imbibed sufficiently, find midnight in the KNP the ideal time to entertain their fellow campers at full volume with lion roars from their recently acquired CD of animal calls. For the new camper this might be intimidating but most are not fooled by the drunken laughs that accompany the Lion roars.

    These are also the kind folk who cannot understand the concept of personal space and include you, without your consent, into their laager. Mistaking you for a tennis fan they then shatter the solitude of the wild, for an entire week, demonstrating their finely honed tennis skills with the monotonous tones of a Swing-ball.

    Not only are the audio visual devices loud but also you may be privileged to hear the intimate details of a spousal disagreements. Sensitive husband, who could barley walk from the time they unyoked the oxen, lifted the volume of the conversation to such a degree that all in camp could clearly hear the unfortunate events of the night. At least he let the camp get some sleep from 02:15, he must have passed out again.

    Fence Sitter. Ah, but spare a though for this merry band of unfortunates. Neither fish nor foul they lack the courage to load up and head into the wide blue yonder with nothing save a tent (GPS etc). They too lack the courage to take all possessions along and to display these for all to see and hear. These poor individuals suffer the constant dilemma of tent or van, canvas or nylon. So they reach an unhealthy compromise, a caravan with some of the mod cons, most of which are hidden from view to escape the prying eyes of the purists as they have no desire to be labelled among “I can like to camp” brigade. A tent is acquired for those occasions when circumstances permit “purist” camping.

    Well, having satisfied myself that I could place campers conveniently into neat little boxes I thought why stop here. There must be reasons for camping.

    On the cheap / learner camper. I considered those of limited means who cannot afford expensive holidays. Camping is an ideal holiday option for them, it could also lead as a springboard to being a “Purist”, an “I can like to camp” or “Fence sitter” camper. This is a highly critical time of development in the campers life as his entire future as a camper is about to be decided upon.

    Survivor Camper. Those who love the outdoors and adventure. Swinging from the vines, drinking from their Stetson style bush hats, braving mozzies as it is not manly to make use of repellents, copious quantities of Rum and Coke will suffice. Those who believe that unless you travel over bone jarring terrain that requires a kidney belt you are not cutting it. Those who scoff at Survivor knowing full well that this is a level beneath them.

    Wussie Camper. Those who love being outdoors but not necessarily in mortal combat with a Lion or wrestling a Great White (shark that is). Wussies like these prefer viewing nature from the safe confines of a car, like the comfort of having a shop nearby lest one runs out of the life giving nectar, Amstel. These are they who like the buzz of a campsite in the early evening as fires are stoked and the sundowners begin to anesthetise the affect of the day. Ah …. the smell of a “hardekool” fire as the fist drops of boerewors fat ignites on the coals.

    Poser Campers. Those who believe it to be a “not to be missed opportunity” to display ones newly acquired wealth which has been converted into gadgets and gismo’s. These individuals take with them all their goodies and put them on show. The kitchen sink may be spared as it is firmly attached to the wall but not the fully automatic washing machine, nor tumble drier. A little research would have showed that December in the KNP you could literally watch clothes dry, besides which there are Laundromats ….

    By now I am well into my mindless ramblings (getting pissed) when it occurs to me, there must be reasons campers chose the places we go to.

    Where to next year? These are the type, who on a whim or hearsay will learn of a camping spot and are determined to go there, whether it fits their camping profile or not. These campers sometimes frustrate themselves and others as they do not appreciate what that particular environment means to someone who has worked and waited all year to get there. These are the type that perhaps should understand that no bikes, no noise after 22:00 actually is a rule. This crowd would probably little understand the next lot.

    I know where I am going. These are they who are in no doubt as to where they want to be, whether it be beach, bush or mountains these campers even treasure the build up to the trip. These nutters would find something “spiritual” in their hallowed place as it probably equates to a holy pilgrimage in terms of emotion and intensity. The “where to next year” mob would be of particular irritation to these campers.

    Now the above is by no means a definitive list of camping quirks, merely some of the things that came to mind as I was considering the complexities of camping and campers. I suppose the real reason for this diatribe is that I got to thinking about what the old school would say of what is camping. Two people came to mind, my Dad and a friends Ouma (n regte boere Ouma).

    Dad, when in his early 20's put a U.S. Army surplus rucksack on his back along with a leaky tent. Armed with a revolver and a rifle over his shoulder, he hiked (yes walked, one could do this in the 50's) up into and through what is now Zimbabwe, Zambia, Tanzania, Malawi, Mozambique and back to S.A. This took the period of quiet a few months. If I had to ask him what camping is? I know what he would tell me. He would scoff at a tent apart from rainy days. He would eat mostly from the land and would cook over a wood fire. If you could not keep a fire going you had better drag lots of thorn bushes around you as an early warning system against those things that desired to eat you by night. He would probably scoff at those who even wanted to make use of a motorised vehicle let alone an air-conditioned 4X4.

    Then I considered my friends Ouma who, when close to the end of her days, used to love talking about her life, which was incredible I must say. She remembers travelling in an ox wagon, saw the first manned flight, first steamship, first motor car, first jet airplane, first man on the moon, first PC, what an age to live in. One evening we were making a potjie and she enquired "wat maak julle my kind?". I proceeded to tell her about this relatively new cooking technique (the early 80's saw the awakening of potjiekos through a certain Dominee Matie Brink) of cooking this entire meal in a cast iron pot. She laughed and told me that this was not new and proceeded to explain that when she was young they travelled by wagon. A "seep pot" would hang permanently from the side of the wagon. It was seldom, if ever, washed and there was never a recipe. What you shot went into the pot along with any vegetables you might have to hand, usually wild veggies. You would eat from this pot adding as and when produce was available. Owing to the turnover of food in the pot it never went off. The only time it was cleaned was to periodically make soap (yup that’s why they call it a “seep pot”). The men would sleep under the wagon, a bath was a privilege that only happened when you reached safe waters (crock’s and hippo’s were more abundant then). There were never any fancy gadgets or gizmo's to make life easy. When you ran out of something that was it, make do.

    So I suppose that camping is a relative term. Perhaps the Ossawa complete with overhead disselboom and spoked wheels with steel belts was the first example of a 4X4 with a roof tent. Man those wagons went everywhere. The aforementioned two individuals would probably scoff at the most adventurous for their "over the top style" and as my dad once called my caravan, "a hotel on wheels", it did not deserve to be called camping he said. But this would just invoke yet another debate, “my dad’s camping was harder than your dads” or perhaps even “yeah right my Ouma used to pull the wagon”.

    In conclusion I consider myself to be a well balanced camper. I have camped where Lions have brushed the tent as they walked past, where you need a big rifle just in case, so I suppose there is some Purist in me. Evidently not enough of a Purist as I have a weakness for camping gadgets. I thought God actually gave you this weakness automatically when you bought your first tent / caravan. So yes definitely, I can like to Camp. Fortunately my path through the camping learning curve started with tenting and fires, sitting on the ground through to caravanning. I must be a Fence Sitter as I use both. Having said which I must confess however that my Purist phase was due to me being an On the cheap / learner Camper who did not have two brass cents to rub together. Sadly my Survivor Camper days are over as mommy has limits. When we are able to, the “boys” still do the testosterone thing. So now I am reduced to being a Wussie Camper on the border of Posing as mommy won’t go anywhere unless we also look the part. At least I don’t need to ask Where to Next, as I know where I am Going.
    No offence Andrew, but this is exactly my gripe. Placing campers in different categories.

    Life is not fair to all. Some make more money than others. Some spend big sums on camping equipment and luxuries, others don't.

    But at the end of the day (more Naas) it doesn't matter. Nor should it. As long as you can share the experience with loved ones, and break away from your work life, it shouldn't matter if you camp with a 2bar caravan or R500 Game tent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MANDREAS View Post
    Die lekkerste wat ek al gekamp het was 'n hele paar jaar terug toe ek uitgenooi was om met 'n paar konsessie jagters te gaan oes naby Purros.

    Het 'n matras gevat, 'n kussing en 'n koelboks.

    Daar waar ons gekamp het was dit so 50km van die see af (soos die kraai vlieg) so party aande het die mis oor die kampplek gehang en 'n koue wind het deur jou windbreaker geskeur.

    Daar was 'n ###### vuur 24/7.

    Behalwe vir die feit dat jy wakker gemaak word met 'n Jagermeister (vir tandeborsel), was die simplistiese opset en ervaring baie lekker.
    Die vraag is: Het jy gestort terwyl jy daar was??

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    Quote Originally Posted by MANDREAS View Post
    No offence Andrew, but this is exactly my gripe. Placing campers in different categories.

    Life is not fair to all. Some make more money than others. Some spend big sums on camping equipment and luxuries, others don't.

    But at the end of the day (more Naas) it doesn't matter. Nor should it. As long as you can share the experience with loved ones, and break away from your work life, it shouldn't matter if you camp with a 2bar caravan or R500 Game tent.
    That's exactly what to post is meant to highlight, a humorous tongue in cheek look at the futility of putting things into boxes and then limiting peoples experience and enjoyment because it does not fit your personal paradigm.

    I wrote that many years ago whilst being a very active member on a caravan and camping forum. The pissing competitions there could be fast and furious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewald Posthumus View Post
    Die vraag is: Het jy gestort terwyl jy daar was??
    Ek het ja.

    Mens is so vol van gemsbok str0nt en bloed dat jy soos 'n poepolderm ruik.

    Elke aand het ek die bullet gebyt en in die koue uit 'n 20lt waterkan my nodigstes gepolish.
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    Seems strange that you simply cannot have a "fun" 4x4Community interest based thread anymore..

    We all camp, why can we not discus it in a fun way? Why do we need to start a bloody fight? FFS, If you cannot camp, and get irritated by the sound of a fire.. So what, but why do I need to defend my view to anyone?
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    Default Re: We need to define what exactly “camping” is.

    Who said the forum was getting boring ?

    As with everything in now, consumerism has made simple things like camping complicated.

    Some of my best memories " camping" was on the banks of the vaal fishing overnight. No tent, just and old duvet, fire, meat, beer and good company. Having a roll of toilet paper was considered overkill, although blue gum tree leaves don't hack it so it became a norm.

    now one needs a trailer for everything to take camping and a whole day to pack it correctly.

    I guess the older we get the more comfort is enjoyed.


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    Default Re: We need to define what exactly “camping” is.

    If you set up your own abode with your hands, you are camping
    If you have to take steps to your abode , your are not camping, unless the steps leads to the roof of your vehicle. That is why places has by definition camp sites and caravan sites
    If your abode that your own hands have built has non-rigid walls you are camping.


    If you have television and generators with the above criteria, you are still camping, but you are doing camping wrong.

    The only lights that should flicker around your campsite should be that of a fire. If you sweat and get irritated setting up and pulling down your setup then camping is not for you. Get a chalet.

    I have had my share of camping with my arthritic and gout-ridden joints, so I am a chalet man nowadays but man, nothing beats camping with young kids when they are younger (under 10). Our kids loved camping and I do miss it.
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