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Julius wants Durban changed as well....Durb's will be no more....
https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news...change-racist/
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This is true yes, it doesn't give an isiXhosa name any more relevance.
They weren't the original people here, the Khoekhoe, or Khoi if you prefer were, the Afrikaner arrived later and then the British, who despite their vices, were largely responsible for the development of PE.
This is true North of and around the vicinity of the Fish River, South of the Fish River was Khoekhoe territory.
The first encounter that European settlers had with the amaXhosa was in 1702, 50 years after their arrival in the Cape, and that encounter was in the vicinity of the Fish River, where they were warned not to go.
The first mention of formal dealings with Bantu people was 1722.
It was only in the middle of the 18th century 100 years after setting in the Cape that there were regular encounters between settlers and amaXhosa as they moved North and towards the Fish River.
History of South Africa under administration of the Dutch, George McCall Theal.
The Bantu, S.M. Malomela.
Determination of amaRharhabe and amaGcaleka Paramountcy, Article 81351 S.A
Government.
Minutes of the meeting of the council of Policy at the Cape 29, September 1722.
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No, it would rather have been an ecosystem in harmony with the circle of life as opposed to a Western world industrial pollution generating toxic junkyard. I much rather prefer the former.
Why such a big fuss about the name change? I am yet to hear someone complain about place names when they overland all over Africa.
It is not such a big deal, embrace it.
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Estee = S T = Sean Towlson
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''Nothing makes the Earth seem so spacious as to have friends at a distance; they make the latitudes and longitudes''. H.D. Thoreau.
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Durbanites are, by and large, too laid back to care. Most people are quite comfortable with eThekwini. If he wants something else he'll have to go with Kangela, which is the original Zulu name from whence Congella came, which means to "look", the name given to the Bluff by early tribesmen.
See, the umlungu did some appropriation, even back then ...
The insinuation by Tony, is that indigenous labour was necessary to create the cities, infrastructure and so forth.
The question remains; would the built environment inherited in 1994 have existed without indigenous labour or imported indentured labour?
The mere changing of a name of a place because it is hurtful, doesnt change the history of the place, it still stands as a testament to those who conceived, realised and named it.
Estee = S T = Sean Towlson
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''Nothing makes the Earth seem so spacious as to have friends at a distance; they make the latitudes and longitudes''. H.D. Thoreau.
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Estee = S T = Sean Towlson
Total 4x4 Novice with no experience whats-so-ever
''Nothing makes the Earth seem so spacious as to have friends at a distance; they make the latitudes and longitudes''. H.D. Thoreau.
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I actually don't have much of a thing for names, statues, that sort of thing. History isn't about that, huge parts of world history have no monuments, and are remembered nonetheless.
Benjamin D'Urban dubbed a bay on the east coast of Africa D'Urban in vanity, he didn't build a single thing here, so the argument is moot from that point. There are many more people since then, and since whatshername that lent her name to Port Elizabeth, more deserving of being remembered for contributions.
That said, I hate having geographical features, cities, streets, named after people, even Mandela (let's not start a slagging match please), because they age out. In 100 years who cares. Dust to dust. Names should be descriptive rather.
A little poetic license there Estée?
Naa, I don't care if he feels that he has to be an old English lord, he's unlikely to be the guy agitating for, or celebrating, city name changes. He's too busy being a capitalist, and that's also ok. Insisting on a reversion to pastoral namadic life for an entire cultural group in exchange for a city name change is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
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''No, it would rather have been an ecosystem in harmony with the circle of life as opposed to a Western world industrial pollution generating toxic junkyard. I much rather prefer the former.'' HeinrichC
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Estee = S T = Sean Towlson
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''Nothing makes the Earth seem so spacious as to have friends at a distance; they make the latitudes and longitudes''. H.D. Thoreau.
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Wow, this thread has turned
Always think: Could this be sarcasm?
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