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    Default Newbie choosing Drifter 4x4 B2600 vs B300

    Hi Guys

    Im new to the 4x4 scene (although I've been lurking for a while, gleaning as much as I can from you guys).

    I'm a youngster who needs a vehicle which is (slightly) more practical than my beach buggy which is my current daily driver.

    I am planning on buying an old mazda drifter. I have a couple of options. Either a B3000 single cab 4x4 or a B2600 d/cab 4x4. Both in the same price range. The 3l is a '96 model and the 2.6 is a '91, but as far as I can make out, they are basically the same (same mileage around 250k).

    The vehicle will be my daily driver, but I dont have much of a commute, so I think I will be able to handle the fuel bill.

    Im trying to get some idea how the engines compare. I have heard that the 3l is a fuel hog, and doesnt offer much of a performance benift over the 2.6. Is that really true?

    Any help would be much appreciated

    Thanks!

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    Hi there
    You have made a good choice for a first 4x4.
    Mechaically both the 2.6 and the 3.0 v6 is identical, apart from the engine of course. The drivetrain is very good and reliable.

    I own a '92 Ford courier 3.0 v6 with 560 000kilos on the dial.
    No major rebuilding has been done at all,and while I cannot comment on the 2.6 fuel economy, the V6 CAN be badd! Even though my current figures are about 7.5km/l.

    With all this said , if I had to make the choice over it wouldn't be any different. I worship the V6 for many reasons.
    This is about a 50/50 guess!

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    Thanks Rooivan

    Thats just the sort of thing I was hoping to hear (not that you made my decision any easier )

    I'm really keen on the 3l s/cab, although double cab would be cool, I dont really need it, and apparently it has rust around the windscreen (Havent seen it yet, but I have seen & tested the singlecab, and it is rust-free).

    If I can manage 7.5 km/l I'll be happy. Does that require any modifications, or just a light foot?

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    The Fuel economy is mostly based on your driving style.
    Because this is a carburetor engine, LOGIC will help alot( I know too little about fuel injection to comment on it).That 38 WEBER is my favourite.

    Let the gearbox do the work and not the throttle!
    0-100k/h is possible in 11 sec. but WHY?
    When cruising, Don't floor the pedal past halfway and keep the revs at 3200rpm( the v6 is delivering the most torque at 3000+ 200 for wind resistance. At 3200 in 5th you are allready doing 125km/h.
    If you slow down because of a hill or traffic, shift down 1 gear .To get back to cruising in the lower gear at half throttle is better than flooring in 5th.

    Allways picture the butterflies in the carb: the bigger you open them, the more fuel they drink.

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    dad has B2600 and self have 94 courier 3000, now all grown up and a 3.4!!

    from our experience
    not much difference in fuel consumption, power wise, think the 3.0L is a liittle better, however if its a 4x4 and with th uprated V6, then it will be Ford's dumbest move as it was a d-rated motor with a low compression of 8:1
    and about the same KW and Nm as th 2.6Mazda

    hope this helps

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    Thanks Nando

    Im not sure I quite understand your comment about "Ford's dumbest move". Are you saying there is a specific model which is no good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fauxmechanic View Post
    Thanks Nando

    Im not sure I quite understand your comment about "Ford's dumbest move". Are you saying there is a specific model which is no good?
    sorry!!

    let me explain

    3L V6
    normal old metal round valve covers
    power 103-106KW Torque 230Nm


    compression high9:1 and some even 10:1

    on these specific uprated motors, they have a better block(a fact from the guys that modify and race them)
    on these 4x4s, Ford went and dropped the compression to 8:1 and naturally the cam as well
    and the end result was/is 97kw and 209Nm

    IMO
    nice compression for a turbo, however not for such a vehicle, any case this issue could be solved with different pistons and cam!!

    hope this explains

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    Fauxmechanic

    did u buy a van eventually?
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    1999 Colt Rodeo 3.0 V6 4x4-Build
    2005 Chevrolet Lumina UTE SS 5.7 V8 Auto - Build
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    1998 Pajero Gen 2 SWB 3.0 V6 4x4 - Resurrection
    1997 Ford Ranchero Outback 4.0 4x2 -
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    1979 Landrover Series 3 88" Ford 3.0 V6 4x4- Build
    1980 Landrover Range Rover 3.5 V8 4x4 - Build
    1979 Landrover S2A 109" with Chev 4.1 4x4

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    Things are moving a little slowly, but its happening (should get it in the next week or two)

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    What are you getting?
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    1999 Colt Rodeo 3.0 V6 4x4-Build
    2005 Chevrolet Lumina UTE SS 5.7 V8 Auto - Build
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    1998 Pajero Gen 2 SWB 3.0 V6 4x4 - Resurrection
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    1979 Landrover Series 3 88" Ford 3.0 V6 4x4- Build
    1980 Landrover Range Rover 3.5 V8 4x4 - Build
    1979 Landrover S2A 109" with Chev 4.1 4x4

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    Im going to go for the B3000 single cab 4x4

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    Cool!

    U must throw up some pics.

    i know a builder who had a newish, (4 years old) landcruiser bakkie 4.5 efi.
    he said he used to get about 4 km per litre

    then he bought an old mazda drifter 4x2, for about R5000 it had a v8 engine and auto box installed.

    fixed it up a bit and sprayed and now he has a lekker work van that cost him maybe 20K
    and he gets about 6 km per litre
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    1979 Landrover Series 3 88" Ford 3.0 V6 4x4- Build
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    any pics?
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    1999 Colt Rodeo 3.0 V6 4x4-Build
    2005 Chevrolet Lumina UTE SS 5.7 V8 Auto - Build
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    1997 Ford Ranchero Outback 4.0 4x2 -
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    1979 Landrover Series 3 88" Ford 3.0 V6 4x4- Build
    1980 Landrover Range Rover 3.5 V8 4x4 - Build
    1979 Landrover S2A 109" with Chev 4.1 4x4

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    I'm getting it on Sunday (if all goes according to plan, which it seldom does)

    This is the only pic I have of it at the moment.

    I probably wont get the ARB though , 'cos the guy wants extra for it, and I cant afford any more at the moment.
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    looks good!!!

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    I hope so. I think its in good condition.

    I'm a bit bummed about the bumper, cos it really makes it look mean, but I guess I dont really need it as much as I want it

    I was going to sell my dodgey old beach buggy, which woulda helped, but it got stolen a week or two ago, so that kinda that messed that plan up.

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    what price range is that?
    R30,000?
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    1999 Colt Rodeo 3.0 V6 4x4-Build
    2005 Chevrolet Lumina UTE SS 5.7 V8 Auto - Build
    Sold
    1998 Pajero Gen 2 SWB 3.0 V6 4x4 - Resurrection
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    1979 Landrover Series 3 88" Ford 3.0 V6 4x4- Build
    1980 Landrover Range Rover 3.5 V8 4x4 - Build
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    Well. I've got it.

    It was a bit more than 30k But I was happy with it, cos its in nice condition, and the guy gave me a good vibe (it also has a canopy that isnt in the picture).

    Im loving driving it around, even though I havent had a chance to go offroading yet. Im sure its all in my mind, but I'd swear I can see the fuel needle dip when I accellerate hard

    The bummer though is that the starter motor seems dodgy. Of course it was fine when i test drove it and when i picked it up from the guy a few weeks later, but 3 days into ownership it decided to just "click" when I turn it on. A noise like a big relay. If I try it over and over, eventually it just starts without trouble. Im guessing its not engaging or something? Is there a solonoid thats not working right?

    I'll try post you guys some better pictures when I get a chance to take them.

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    at a guess, it sounds like the solenoid is sticking
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    1997 Ford Ranchero Outback 4.0 4x2 -
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    You were right Racer-X, it was the solonoid, as expected.

    I had the solnoid replaced and the brushes & bushing replaced. Now it turns over like a charm... highlighting the fact that my ring gear has a dodgy spot

    I got a quote of about R200 for a new ring gear, and R1700 labour to get it in. Does that seem fair? I know its a big job... but I dont wanna be ripped off either?

    Otherwise I must just live with the horrific coffee grinder noise that happens when it doesn't engage properly.

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