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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    Morning (again).

    Not sure how this upload thing works, as I can't actually see the attachment in the body of the post, but it appears in the drop-down, so here goes.

    Huge Thank you to Neil (and John) for doing the scoring, and creating the spreadsheet. In fact, I don't think there's very much for me to add, unless there's a need for me to consolidate the two attached spreadsheets. Comments and suggestions are welcome, and I will do my best to comply (within reason of course!).

    I have decided (with Neil's permission) to upload the preliminary spreadsheets "as is" seeing as people are clamouring for the results. The one labelled neil_difflock is Neil (and I believe John's) scoring, and the one just labelled "difflock" was the collation as I had it from various attendees as to some tech specs of their vehicles.

    People can either post on this thread additional info (someone suggested tyre pressures), and I will keep the spreadsheet updated as a "live" document - if that's what is desired.

    I'm aware of the difficulty involved in the scoring - e.g. how much does one penalize for just a rollback, or a rollback + engage difflock. So please let's keep the lynching to a minimum!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ama-newbie View Post
    Morning (again).

    Not sure how this upload thing works, as I can't actually see the attachment in the body of the post, but it appears in the drop-down, so here goes.

    Huge Thank you to Neil (and John) for doing the scoring, and creating the spreadsheet. In fact, I don't think there's very much for me to add, unless there's a need for me to consolidate the two attached spreadsheets. Comments and suggestions are welcome, and I will do my best to comply (within reason of course!).

    I have decided (with Neil's permission) to upload the preliminary spreadsheets "as is" seeing as people are clamouring for the results. The one labelled neil_difflock is Neil (and I believe John's) scoring, and the one just labelled "difflock" was the collation as I had it from various attendees as to some tech specs of their vehicles.

    People can either post on this thread additional info (someone suggested tyre pressures), and I will keep the spreadsheet updated as a "live" document - if that's what is desired.

    I'm aware of the difficulty involved in the scoring - e.g. how much does one penalize for just a rollback, or a rollback + engage difflock. So please let's keep the lynching to a minimum!
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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    So the Patrol won?

    If so, then I approve of this competition.
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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    So the Patrol won?

    If so, then I approve of this competition.
    It did show, that good flex. coupled with a good traction aid is the best.. It has a front auto locker
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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehog View Post
    It did show, that good flex. coupled with a good traction aid is the best.. It has a front auto locker
    Andrew, a Lokka or similar?? Do you perhaps know??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petri Oosthuizen View Post
    Andrew, a Lokka or similar?? Do you perhaps know??
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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    That was one of the problems as some guys had auto lockers that cannot be switched on or of..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilRodeo View Post
    That was one of the problems as some guys had auto lockers that cannot be switched on or of..........
    The Mahindra had the same installed on the front axle
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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehog View Post
    The Mahindra had the same installed on the front axle
    Yip, but then is a auto locker not T/C in disguise on one axle?
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    What that scorecard shows is that John and Neil, will be inundated with strafdoppe at the next event..
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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    Quote Originally Posted by NeilRodeo View Post
    Yip, but then is a auto locker not T/C in disguise on one axle?
    Actually theirs is a true locker that just engages and disengages automatically by design.. it works in the diff, and not with the brakes
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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    Hey guys both patrol and mahindra has a lockright auto locker in the front , and yes that is the only downfall of it , you can't put it off , but you get used to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizardalpha View Post
    Did Andre bring just the defender? It would have been nice to see a softy Landy go against the Volvo's and Subaru's, and well the diff lock guys.
    Just some background re the "softy landy" vs Volvo in the comment above.

    The above 2 cars have the same paternal grandfather, all under Ford ownership: The original 2003 Volvo XC90.

    Firstborn, Freelander 2, 2006. Haldex updated to Gen 3. From 2012 onwards, Gen 4. Evoque launched in 2011 - like Shady's - also Gen 4.

    Inbetween in 2009, the original Volvo XC60 appeared, based on the Freelander 2. They even shared 6-cylinder petrol engines. Unfortunately, all the control buttons for the offroad modes were removed, now only being able to disable the stability control. This is where the Haval scored big time, as it has all those buttons. Plus a ZF 8-speed transmission.

    Then 2014, XC60 facelift - like mine. Still uses the identical top engine mount as the Freelander 2, but now with Haldex 5. Discovery Sport - Freelander 2 replacement - also launched around this time, with a different rear suspension layout, but otherwise very similar drive train. Capabilty, based on an evaluation at Land Rover Experience, a step back from even the Freelander 2.

    Next, new XC90, around 2016 locally, like DOM has. Now with air suspension, which provides better articulation. In 2017, the new XC60, on the same platform as the XC90.

    So, long story, but even though the softy landies weren't there, they were represented by their cousins with longer overhangs.

    The only counterpart for the Haval would have been Shady's Evoque. Not any other one .
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJJ View Post
    Just some background re the "softy landy" vs Volvo in the comment above.

    The above 2 cars have the same paternal grandfather, all under Ford ownership: The original 2003 Volvo XC90.

    Firstborn, Freelander 2, 2006. Haldex updated to Gen 3. From 2012 onwards, Gen 4. Evoque launched in 2011 - like Shady's - also Gen 4.

    Inbetween in 2009, the original Volvo XC60 appeared, based on the Freelander 2. They even shared 6-cylinder petrol engines. Unfortunately, all the control buttons for the offroad modes were removed, now only being able to disable the stability control. This is where the Haval scored big time, as it has all those buttons. Plus a ZF 8-speed transmission.

    Then 2014, XC60 facelift - like mine. Still uses the identical top engine mount as the Freelander 2, but now with Haldex 5. Discovery Sport - Freelander 2 replacement - also launched around this time, with a different rear suspension layout, but otherwise very similar drive train. Capabilty, based on an evaluation at Land Rover Experience, a step back from even the Freelander 2.

    Next, new XC90, around 2016 locally, like DOM has. Now with air suspension, which provides better articulation. In 2017, the new XC60, on the same platform as the XC90.

    So, long story, but even though the softy landies weren't there, they were represented by their cousins with longer overhangs.

    The only counterpart for the Haval would have been Shady's Evoque. Not any other one .
    Nice of you to think that Johnie, but in all honesty, I don't think even the Evoque would have compared favourably to the Havaal. Man that thing was impressive. Who would have thought?!

    But maybe we are patronising it a bit. It's not a soft roader. Maybe someone can clarify, but I think it has a body on frame chassis.
    Also, it has low range, and a rear diff lock?

    Actually puts it more in the class of a Prado. But just not so in price. If value for money and surprise factor points were given, I think it would have scored the most by some margin!

    Just to clarify to any New Defender fans (if there are any?) It only scored a 1 in the second obstacle as it rolled back, but something was just being demonstrated in terms of trying to get a wheel to lift, and I forgot it was an evaluation, and didn't quite hear the briefing as I was getting some aerial footage with the drone, so Im sorry, my bad. But the judges have to call it as they see it I guess.
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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    Quote Originally Posted by lizardalpha View Post
    People in Glass Houses . I mean, a GC is no Wrangler you know.
    It’s much better.

    You probably meant “a GC is no Wrangler Rubicon you know.”


    A WK, XJ and a Ducati...

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    Daar’s nog maar een soos hy; bekyk hom goed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeandreDiedericks View Post
    I pitched up with the D3 at the soft roader day remember...

    Everyone agreed it wasn't a softroader so I had to stay at the back of the group
    Yes, but that was the last of the hardcore LR’s.


    A WK, XJ and a Ducati...

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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    It seems Amaroks are really not meant for trails.


    A WK, XJ and a Ducati...

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    Daar’s nog maar een soos hy; bekyk hom goed."

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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    Oops, missed that. The low range on the Haval and the Eaton rear difflock, that is.

    See here: https://www.cars.co.za/motoring_news...20test%20track.

    So now it is only average...😏
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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    Maybe I should consider a lift, some rock sliders and proper offroad tyres........
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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainier Vermaak View Post
    It seems Amaroks are really not meant for trails.
    I was actually very impressed by the ease of getting through most of the stuff, but I would also be the first to admit that the amarok is not a rock crawler. There are pipe cars for that sort of thing. Perhaps highly modified Rubicons and LR 90's also.

    Like others I very impressed with the fortitude of the Sabaru drivers but was starting to cringe slightly when the smell of clutch was getting overwhelming. As for those Volvos! Reminds me of their heritage in rallies.

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