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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    I suspect confusion....

    See Hedgehog's Ford Ranger - Centre Difflock = no

    (I suspect this is because it isn't actually a difflock per sé. It just sends 50% power forward and 50% rearward when it's put into 4x4, right?)

    Now see Fortuner and the Amarok - Centre Difflock = yes.

    Have they not got pretty much the same setup?

    Seeking clarification....

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    Quote Originally Posted by shady View Post
    I suspect confusion....

    See Hedgehog's Ford Ranger - Centre Difflock = no

    (I suspect this is because it isn't actually a difflock per sé. It just sends 50% power forward and 50% rearward when it's put into 4x4, right?)

    Now see Fortuner and the Amarok - Centre Difflock = yes.

    Have they not got pretty much the same setup?

    Seeking clarification....
    The previous gen Tuner was full time 4 x4

    So is the Amarok

    But that Fortuner does not have a center diff, so it cannot claim a diff lock

    We shall clarify at venue
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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    As far as i understand when you change from 2H to 4H then the center diff is engaged to share power from back to front equally for driving on dirt road for better tracktion.. 4L from there then etc.
    When you back to tar 2H it is dis- engaged
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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    Quote Originally Posted by zeek View Post
    As far as i understand when you change from 2H to 4H then the center diff is engaged to share power from back to front equally for driving on dirt road for better tracktion.. 4L from there then etc.
    When you back to tar 2H it is dis- engaged
    There is no center diff in a part time 4x4, The transfer case connects the two axles directly. That is why you get windup on hard surfaces with a part time 4x4 that is in 4x4 (Low or Hi)
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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehog View Post
    There is no center diff in a part time 4x4, The transfer case connects the two axles directly. That is why you get windup on hard surfaces with a part time 4x4 that is in 4x4 (Low or Hi)
    Yes is what i am talking about. So not sure if the word center diff should be on the options there as will be confusing
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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    Quote Originally Posted by zeek View Post
    Yes is what i am talking about. So not sure if the word center diff should be on the options there as will be confusing
    Rather the option should be marked not applicable by the owners of part time 4x4 system
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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    Will sort out on the day. For now I just want to fill in (most of) the columns to save time at registration...
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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    The LRs and the H3 are full time 4x4. The centre diff acts the same as it does on an axel except it allows different rotation between front and rear as opposed to left and right. I can lock this in 4L. But it is also subject to wind up.

    The confusion is arising from the term diff as opposed to a coupling, which a number of new vehicles have, like some of the modern bakkies which are rear wheel driven. When 4x4 is engaged, the coupling ''locks'' front and rear prop shafts but dont have the ability to slip, hence the wind up. It, therefore, is not a diff (allowing for differential rotational speeds between front and rear)

    However, to compound the issue, there are viscous couplings used on some AWD vehicles. This allows the vehicle to be in 2 wheel drive but automatically ''locks'' front to rear when traction decreases or, it can be locked manually. The Jeep Patriot has such a system.

    In short, a CDL will allow slip front and rear if not locked whereas a ''coupling'' will not and is purely a means to lock front and rear. Such vehicles, like the Amarok, do not have a CDL in the true sense, but they have a coupling that will lock F to R when selected.

    I hope that helps in clarifying the issue
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    Gents, I will not be able to attend this event. A lack of comms between me and the First Wife have resulted in a double booking and in order to keep the peace..................................
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    Only one vehicle with double lockers. Wens dit was nader.
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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    Only one vehicle with double lockers. Wens dit was nader.
    And no Amarok 4Motion. Would love to have seen one in that company
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    Guys please update the coulorful sheet.
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    Hello. Sorry ouens but have to cancel tomorrow. Couple of things came together and best not to go.

    Enjoy they day there

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    My H3 will still be there!!
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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    Pitty Johan Maree lost interest. Would have like to see the G-Wagon in action. One of the 4x4's with the best 4x4 systems.

    Also no Wrangler
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    Gents, I will not be able to attend this event. A lack of comms between me and the First Wife have resulted in a double booking and in order to keep the peace..................................
    Not surprising

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    Default Re: March Difflock vs Traction Control brekkie Run

    1. Forum name - Coenoes

    2. Real name - Johan

    3. Vehicle manufacturer - Toyota

    4. Vehicle model - Hilux

    5. Drive - 2x4 4x4H 4x4L

    6. Low range - Y

    7. Traction control - Y

    8. Rear locker - Y

    9. Front locker - N

    10. Centre locker - Y

    11. Tyre brand -Yokohama Geolandar

    12 Tyre size - 265 65 R17

    13. Tyre type - All terrain
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