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    This is quite interesting. The world will change as we know it.

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    Think that's going to be a very small market. If it is only used on the mines and in Sandton. Not many power points out in the bush and farm use in SA with our power issue and pricing............ about as much use as a chocolate braai grid.
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    Electric cars sold were over 50% of the new cars in Norway. Driving ranges are increasing all the time. For a farmer electric type could be really viable option. Change over to electric seems to accelerate all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jouko View Post
    Electric cars sold were over 50% of the new cars in Norway. Driving ranges are increasing all the time. For a farmer electric type could be really viable option. Change over to electric seems to accelerate all the time.
    But didnt they also hike vehicle taxes and licencing fees? Nothing works like a bit of the old coercion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jouko View Post
    Electric cars sold were over 50% of the new cars in Norway. Driving ranges are increasing all the time. For a farmer electric type could be really viable option. Change over to electric seems to accelerate all the time.
    I think Norway and SA have little in common especially when it comes to electric vehicle use. The blackouts (sorry loadshedding) and electricity pricing may make the use of an electric landcruiser not such a clever idea.

    Off topic but I still can't get over the use of these vehicles from an environmental point.

    But you are right, they are becoming more popular and their ranges are increasing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza1210 View Post
    Think that's going to be a very small market. If it is only used on the mines and in Sandton. Not many power points out in the bush and farm use in SA with our power issue and pricing............ about as much use as a chocolate braai grid.
    I'll quote this.

    I'll be investing my money in lithium rather than oil

    Seeing that Elon is now the classified as the richest man on earth the rest of the world thinks along the same lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaan Pot View Post
    I'll quote this.

    I'll be investing my money in lithium rather than oil

    Seeing that Elon is now the classified as the richest man on earth the rest of the world thinks along the same lines.
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    Although I like the idea of electric cars from an environmental point of view (mostly for town use, I don't see any electrical sockets on an acacia or baobab in my immediate future), they still don't make much sense yet in this country. Partly because of the distances we generally travel to go on holiday, but from an environmental point of view they don't make sense while most of our electricity in the short to medium term will still be from burning coal...

    Apart from the obvious loadshedding, which has already been mentioned.

    If I was living in the states (or Europe) I'd drive a Tesla any day... Even if just for that acceleration...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jouko View Post
    Electric cars sold were over 50% of the new cars in Norway. Driving ranges are increasing all the time. For a farmer electric type could be really viable option. Change over to electric seems to accelerate all the time.
    Norway is a small country with massive hydroelectric capacity and distribution. What do you think South African long distance with no infrastructure will do to that idea? Even rural farmers won't want it as they can't charge it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaan Pot View Post
    I'll quote this.

    I'll be investing my money in lithium rather than oil

    Seeing that Elon is now the classified as the richest man on earth the rest of the world thinks along the same lines.
    No argument from me on that!

    Point I'm making is that if I was an SA farmer (or any farmer in Africa) I wouldn't consider an electric cruiser... maybe I'm wrong as I haven't farmed since 1995.
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    I am finding the uptake in lithium powered industrial vehicles a bit sluggish here at the moment, particularly in the traditional diesel markets.

    Probably due to bad experiences with lead acid power.

    But lithium is chalk and cheese. The inflexion point between lithium powered and diesel powered vehicles has been reached to the extent that the diesel savings can actually cover the acquisition costs in about 5 years on some of the vehicles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estee View Post
    I am finding the uptake in lithium powered industrial vehicles a bit sluggish here at the moment, particularly in the traditional diesel markets.

    Probably due to bad experiences with lead acid power.

    But lithium is chalk and cheese. The inflexion point between lithium powered and diesel powered vehicles has been reached to the extent that the diesel savings can actually cover the acquisition costs in about 5 years on some of the vehicles.
    Sean, I remember you saying you don't listen to the radio as you love the sound of your V8.... if you go electric you're going to have to have a recording of a V8 to play while driving
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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza1210 View Post
    Sean, I remember you saying you don't listen to the radio as you love the sound of your V8.... if you go electric you're going to have to have a recording of a V8 to play while driving
    Too true and unless they pull the plug on petrol (fortunately the H can run on ethanol also), I cant see me owning and driving an electric.

    But I dont mind selling electric industrial vehicles and have been for years.
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    Im a farmer.
    Love my diesel engines. Cant think of operating without them, but.........diesel is by far my biggest expense. If I can cut that drastically I would do that in a heartbeat.
    V8 sound or not....Ill listen to something on the radio.

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    We have 3 cars. If Merc will sell the all new Smart on a right price I will change the petrol one to electric. No more petrol or diesel types. Distances and kilometers are such that home charging is viable. And the acceleration I saw Smart accelerating in Amsterdam - from a distance. I am already faster than average driver. Electric Maintenance costs. What maintenance?

    2nd of our cars as electric would be border case in South Africa. We will try the current one on long distance. Jeep - no change to change now.

    In 20 years time new petrol or diesel cars might be in very short supply.
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    Know one guy here who converted his farm bike to electric. That thing runs for free.

    I think a electric vehicle would be super reliable as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olyfboer View Post
    Norway is a small country with massive hydroelectric capacity and distribution. What do you think South African long distance with no infrastructure will do to that idea? Even rural farmers won't want it as they can't charge it.
    Just put a couple of cattle into a giant hamster wheel driving a generator, you'll be fine!

    It's a good concept though for applications where the vehicle operates within a close radius, e.g. mines. It can be used underground (no exhaust gases) and the engine doesn't battle with dust filtration.
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    The one farming application where this will work is as a game viewer, but only if your game viewing drives are not going to be too long. I also think you will need more than one battery pack for each vehicle so that you can charge one while the other one is being used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HugoNotte View Post
    Just put a couple of cattle into a giant hamster wheel driving a generator, you'll be fine!

    It's a good concept though for applications where the vehicle operates within a close radius, e.g. mines. It can be used underground (no exhaust gases) and the engine doesn't battle with dust filtration.
    I grew up on the Witbank Coalfields in the 60's and 70's. All the mining vehicles used underground were electric with sealed motors and circuits to prevent methane explosions caused by combustion engines. That was the time of mechanisation too and there were electric coal cutters, coal gatherers, shuttlecars and transports. Electric is not new. I remember the electric double decker buses in Pretoria of the 60's. The naval Dockyard used electric vehicles to transport parts between ships and workshops in the 70's and 80's.

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    Default Re: Those who said, electric vehicle, NEVER!

    very good comments here ,no electric points on route from cape town to gauteng , taxing on these bakkies no problem fly, SAA, someone will make money .

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