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    Default Re: Those who said, electric vehicle, NEVER!

    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Without cheap, independent and sustainable energy, we are in trouble
    True in SA. But even now the price is in about world medium range. availability something else, though. The way itís supposed to work is the the cars get charged at night, when the generation base load is spinning quite freely.

    Perhaps once the Medupi and Kusile are running at capacity, and general maintenance has finally been caught up, this will happen

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    Default Re: Those who said, electric vehicle, NEVER!

    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Without cheap, independent and sustainable energy, we are in trouble
    True. And with loadshedding still here it wont work. Nice idea but not in this country
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    Default Re: Those who said, electric vehicle, NEVER!

    Food for thought:

    "Sales of fully electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles in Europe, overtook diesel-powered vehicles for the first time ever in the month of August (2021), according to data provided by JATO Europe.
    EVs and plug-in hybrids managed to take a 21 percent market share with 151,737 deliveries, leaving behind diesels with 20 percent and 141,635 units respectively. While this is the first time that electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles outsold diesel cars in the continent, in absolute numbers, itís not their best month, but their second-best in history."

    https://www.carscoops.com/2021/09/ev...rst-time-ever/
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    Default Re: Those who said, electric vehicle, NEVER!

    I am surprised to see the number of electric cars even in Greece. And the number of charging points springing up all over the place.
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    Default Re: Those who said, electric vehicle, NEVER!

    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Then with the availability of cheap abundant power in this country we are in deep shyte.
    From a YouTube vid doing a road test review of an EV it seems that the fast charging stations in the US charges up to R6 per kWh...


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    Default Re: Those who said, electric vehicle, NEVER!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeepiscool View Post
    From a YouTube vid doing a road test review of an EV it seems that the fast charging stations in the US charges up to R6 per kWh...
    We also pay just under R6/kw at the fast chargers in SA. But...

    - This is just a backup or top up, as you mostly charge at home where it is much cheaper.
    - We get just over 6km/kw, so even at that price it is still 16+km/l if converted to fuel prices, AND you have zero maintenance.
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    Default Re: Those who said, electric vehicle, NEVER!

    Quote Originally Posted by DirkL View Post
    We also pay just under R6/kw at the fast chargers in SA. But...

    - This is just a backup or top up, as you mostly charge at home where it is much cheaper.
    - We get just over 6km/kw, so even at that price it is still 16+km/l if converted to fuel prices, AND you have zero maintenance.
    Electric propulsion with regenerative braking do seem at least 20-30% more efficient than traditonal vehicles.
    Shudder to think of repair costs on batteries, windings, etc - not very likely in first few years of ownership.
    The total cost of ownership of an EV remains prohibitive for most south africans.

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    Default Re: Those who said, electric vehicle, NEVER!

    Quote Originally Posted by rnieckau View Post
    Electric propulsion with regenerative braking do seem at least 20-30% more efficient than traditonal vehicles.
    Shudder to think of repair costs on batteries, windings, etc - not very likely in first few years of ownership.
    The total cost of ownership of an EV remains prohibitive for most south africans.
    I do not agree. At home you can charge for R2/kw. Giving you 45km/l "gas milage". That is way more than 20-30% better. Most vehicles do not get more than 22km/l, so let's make it at least 100% better.

    And then on top of that you have no services and general maintenance cost.

    Second hand you can have an i3 with very low km for R300,000. That is way cheaper than a new toyota corolla with the entry level starting at R400,000.

    We save more per month on just fuel and services than our installment on the personal loan we took out to take our home completely off grid with a solar system. In 5 years the solar system will be paid off and we will then be driving for free.

    So by buying an electric car, the saving from the car alone can pay for taking your home off-grid. On top of that we have no eskom account and our home is worth a few hundred thousand more.
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    Default Re: Those who said, electric vehicle, NEVER!

    Sorry, Eskom is now at R3.00 per kWh and will increase by 15% per year for the next 10 years. Work it out.
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    Default Re: Those who said, electric vehicle, NEVER!

    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Sorry, Eskom is now at R3.00 per kWh and will increase by 15% per year for the next 10 years. Work it out.
    About R10.55. Ouch. Going to make solar very affordable, but that will also be taxed I'm sure
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