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    Default beaches a no no in garden route...what else to do?

    Seeing that alot of people will be affected by this "ruling". I was thinking since we dont visit the beach all that often anyway when traveling to the Garden route what other great places are there to explore and visit.

    So please share great sights and experiences in the garden route area here that dont include "the beach".

    I will share a few.....

    1. Driving up Montagu pass
    2. Ride on the Outeniqua Power Van
    3. Eat at Montecello Sedgefield
    4. See the views from atop the Sedgefield hill where guys paraglide from(sunset)
    5. Visit Sedgefield Farmers market
    6. Take a drive to natures valley(stunning)
    7. Take a drive Seven passes road.
    8. Do a easy hike..plenty to choose. (brownhooded kingfisher trailer wilderness)
    9. Walk on the old traintracks from wilderness to george(very scenic)
    10. Hire a canoe and paddle kaaimansriver

    Please be specific so forumites can easily find the suggestions.

    Have a great holiday season

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    Default Re: beaches a no no in garden route...what else to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by MUGmug View Post
    Seeing that alot of people will be affected by this "ruling". I was thinking since we dont visit the beach all that often anyway when traveling to the Garden route what other great places are there to explore and visit.

    So please share great sights and experiences in the garden route area here that dont include "the beach".

    I will share a few.....

    1. Driving up Montagu pass
    2. Ride on the Outeniqua Power Van
    3. Eat at Montecello Sedgefield
    4. See the views from atop the Sedgefield hill where guys paraglide from(sunset)
    5. Visit Sedgefield Farmers market
    6. Take a drive to natures valley(stunning)
    7. Take a drive Seven passes road.
    8. Do a easy hike..plenty to choose. (brownhooded kingfisher trailer wilderness)
    9. Walk on the old traintracks from wilderness to george(very scenic)
    10. Hire a canoe and paddle kaaimansriver

    Please be specific so forumites can easily find the suggestions.

    Have a great holiday season
    Great thread MUG!!!
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    Default Re: beaches a no no in garden route...what else to do?

    I dont think the wild oats market(Sedgefield) will be open. We LOVE the beach, so day trips to beaches South of Mossel bay are game seeing as the "Garden Route" ends at Mossel bay!

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    Default Re: beaches a no no in garden route...what else to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by logical daze View Post
    I dont think the wild oats market(Sedgefield) will be open. We LOVE the beach, so day trips to beaches South of Mossel bay are game seeing as the "Garden Route" ends at Mossel bay!
    It ends at Stillbaai or even further towards Cape Town IIRC.
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    Default Re: beaches a no no in garden route...what else to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kix View Post
    It ends at Stillbaai or even further towards Cape Town IIRC.
    I think you are right! Stilbaai is still okay if you can spend a night and add Malgas pontoon.

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    Do Brakkeduine.
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    Default Re: beaches a no no in garden route...what else to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by logical daze View Post
    I think you are right! Stilbaai is still okay if you can spend a night and add Malgas pontoon.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesseq...l_Municipality

    Hessequa is the western most Municipality included in the Garden Route District Municipality

    The municipality covers an area of 5,733 square kilometres (2,214 sq mi) between the Langeberg mountains and the Indian Ocean, stretching from the Breede River in the west to the Gourits River in the east. It abuts on the Swellendam Municipality to the west, the Kannaland Municipality to the north, the Oudtshoorn Municipality to the northeast, and the Mossel Bay Municipality to the east.

    Thus - Witsand is still a closed beach but Infanta is not :-) I think the MALGAS Pont will be BUSY
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    Default Re: beaches a no no in garden route...what else to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by logical daze View Post
    I think you are right! Stilbaai is still okay if you can spend a night and add Malgas pontoon.
    Garden Route District Municipality includes Hessequa Local Municipality which goes up to Witsand...?
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    Default Re: beaches a no no in garden route...what else to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by logical daze View Post
    ....... seeing as the "Garden Route" ends at Mossel bay!
    Not quite, the Garden Route District Municipality ends only at Witsand and the Breede River, first "open" beach will be Infanta across the river from Witsand.
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    Default Re: beaches a no no in garden route...what else to do?

    Redberry Farm near George. - do the maze challenge
    Plett Puzzle Park - Do both and I think jukani (big cats) is on the same property.
    Monkeyland and birds of eden - both in plett as well
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    Default Re: beaches a no no in garden route...what else to do?

    Paddle up Keurbooms river Plett , canoe rental at Cape nature office at N2 bridge
    Watch ( or partake ) in the bungee jumping at Bloukrans
    Visit Stormsriver village for treetop tours or Sedgway tour to big tree
    Monkeyland and World of birds outside Plett
    Adventureland water park just before Plett
    Burchell 4x4 outside Plett run by Katot Meyer
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    Default Re: beaches a no no in garden route...what else to do?

    Oudshoorn has some nice little stop overs on the Cango caves road including the safari park,,buffulspoort loadge if that the correct name..There is a nice little stop next to a dam where you can sit under the vines and enjoy a cold drink and eats while the kids play

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    Default Re: beaches a no no in garden route...what else to do?

    Climb the George Peak.
    Did it twice in my very much younger days!
    No special equipment needed, just steep and tiring, but worth the view.
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    Default Re: beaches a no no in garden route...what else to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by logical daze View Post
    We LOVE the beach, so day trips to beaches South of Mossel bay are game seeing as the "Garden Route" ends at Mossel bay!
    Quote Originally Posted by Kix View Post
    It ends at Stillbaai or even further towards Cape Town IIRC.
    The Garden Route is from Mosselbaai to Stormsrivier. However, the Garden Route District Municipality is from Witsand to Stormsrivier. Squirrel mentioned "Garden Route District"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1949 View Post
    Climb the George Peak.
    Did it twice in my very much younger days!
    No special equipment needed, just steep and tiring, but worth the view.

    Where does the trail tot the peak starts?
    How much time does it take assuming good weather conditions?

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    Default Re: beaches a no no in garden route...what else to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehog View Post
    Great thread MUG!!!
    Read the press releasse of the Mossel bay Municipal manager on entry into the sea without crossing the beach.

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    Default Re: beaches a no no in garden route...what else to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Danie Joubert View Post
    Read the press releasse of the Mossel bay Municipal manager on entry into the sea without crossing the beach.
    Rather just post the press release...

    Does make for interesting reading though

    LET WEL
    UIT DIE KANTOOR VAN DIE MUNISIPALE BESTUURDER


    Strandgangers moet daarop let dat ‘n definiese wat strande omskryf in die Nasionale Wet op Omgewingsbestuur (107/1998): Regulasies: Beheer van voertuie in die kusgebied omskryf is. Hierdie regulasie staan algemeen bekend as die Marthinus van Schalkwyk Regulasie. Die genoemde regulasie handel oor die beperking van voertuie op strande terwyl die COVID-19 Rampbestuur-regulasie betrekking het op die beperking van mense op strande. Dus behoort daar sinergie te wees.


    Die Marthinus van Schalkwyk-Regulasie plaas ‘n vebod op voertuie in ‘n “Coastal Zone” en definieer dan “Coastal Zone” as: “the area adjacent to the sea characterised by coastal land-forms, and includes beaches, dunes, estuaries, coastal lakes, coastal wetlands, land submerged by the waters of the sea, or of any estuary, coastal lake, or coastal wetland, boat launching sites, proclaimed harbours and recreational use area”


    NIE DEEL VAN STRANDE


    Sou aanvaar word dat die wetgewer nie repetisie toepas nie, is die volgende nie deel van “beaches” oftewel strande nie:
    - Dunes / duine –dit is alle sandduine;
    - Estuaries / riviermondings –dit sal alle riviere insluit;
    - Coastal lakes en coastal wetlands / kusvleilande;
    - Land submerged by the waters of the sea, or of any estuary, coastal lake, or coastal wetland / enige deel van die area wat met water bedek word – dit sal insluit alle areas waar mense normaalweg sou swem;
    - Boat launching sites / boothellings
    - Proclaimed harbours / geproklameerde hawens –hierby ingesluit alle eiendom wat in die hawe-owerheid of hul filiale se naam geregistreer is
    - Recreational use area / ontspanningsgebruikareas – hierdie is beperk en moet per regulasieas sodanig geproklameer word.
    Die definisie van “beach” oftewel strand word dan in die Marthinus van Schalkwyk-Regulasie gegee as “unconsolidated sediment forming the unvegetated edge of the shoreline of the sea or estuary that extends from the low-water mark landwards to higher features of the coast such as dunes, cliffs or vegetated soil;”


    Die begrip “sediment” is belangrik in hierdie definisie. Sediment is iets wat deur water beweeg kan word en seesand is ‘n algemene voorbeeld. Sediment word geag as van die kleinste deel te wees, tot so groot as klippe van so groot as 25cm in deursnee.


    Met die COVID-19 Ramptoestand Regulasie 69(12) wat bepaal “Gatherings at beaches are allowed subject to the following exceptions and conditions (b) beaches in the Garden Route District will be closed to the public from 16 December 2020 until 3 January 2021” moet aanvaar word dat strande oop is, buiten die strande in die Tuinroete vir die tydsduur soos in die regulasies bepaal word.


    WAT IS TOEGANKLIK


    Inaggenome die definisies waarna verwys is, wat mag strandgangers dan geniet en wat is uitgesluit? Dit is waarskynlik makliker om te wys op wat oop/toeganklik is, as om uit te let op wat ontoeganklik is.


    Volgens die definies, en sou aanvaar word dat die wetgewer kennis geneem het van die definisies in ander wetgewing, is die volgende oop en toeganklik vir strandgangers:
    - Alle areas wat met water bedek is, ongeag of dit see- of varswater is. Dit is die areas waar mense normaalweg swem. LW: Dit is dus nie verbode om te swem nie, die toegange tot die see om te kan swem is, word egter beperk – toegang mag slegs via enige van ondergenoemde wees;
    o Riviere, riviermondings, mere, ens;
    o Alle rotsagtige gebiede, dit is waar die opervlak nie sediment is nie. Plekke wat dan toeganklik is, is onder meer die Poort by die Punt.
    o Alle plekke wat geskep is om bote te kan lanseer, oftewel boothellings;
    o Alle hawegebiede – hierby ingesluit is alle eiendom van die hawe-owerheid. In Mosselbaai se geval is dan ingesluit die gedeelte vanaf Sea Gypsy tot by die Seiljagklub;
    o Hoewel nie as sodanig gedefinieer nie, sluit dit ook in alle areas is waar daar verbeterings of verbouings aangebring is. Dit sluit in die betonloopvlakke, sypaadjies en paaie, gevolglik ook die getypoel by die Punt;
    o Alle duine is toeganklik – die sandhoophellings bokant die hoogwatermerk. Duine in die groter Mosselbaai gee egter nie direk toegang tot die see nie. Hierby ingesluit is alle areas langs die strande wat met gras beplant is.


    Geen persoon word gevolglik sonder ‘n geldige visvanglisensie op enige sandstrand tussen die seewater en die duin en/of die hoogwatermerk toegelaat nie. NB: Let egter daarop dat dit nie ‘n strafbare oortreding is om daar te wees nie.


    Ek kan byvoeg dat nóg ek as die Munisipale Bestuurder, nóg enige van die munisipale personeel van Mosselbaai-munisipaliteit die mandaat het om die regulasies betreffende die COVID-19 ramptoestand toe te pas.


    Die Mosselbaai-munisipaliteit bedank die Kouga-munisipaliteit in die Oos-Kaap wat die definisie van strande soos in die Nasionale Wet op Omgewingsbestuur (107/1998): Regulasies: Beheer van voertuie in die kusgebied, toegelig het.


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    Default Re: beaches a no no in garden route...what else to do?

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    PLEASE NOTE:
    FROM THE DESK OF THE MUNICIPAL MANAGER
    Beachgoers should note that a definition defining beaches is found in the National Environmental Management Act (107/1998): Regulations: Control of vehicles in the coastal area. This regulation is commonly known as the Marthinus van Schalkwyk Regulation. The said regulation deals with the restriction of vehicles on beaches while the COVID-19 Disaster Management Regulation relates to the restriction of people on beaches. Therefore there should be synergy.
    The Marthinus van Schalkwyk Regulation places a ban on vehicles in a “Coastal Zone” and then defines “Coastal Zone” as: “the area adjacent to the sea characterized by coastal land-forms, and includes beaches, dunes, estuaries, coastal lakes, coastal wetlands, land submerged by the waters of the sea, or of any estuary, coastal lake, or coastal wetland, boat launching sites, proclaimed harbours and recreational use area”
    NOT PART OF BEACHES
    Should it be assumed that the legislature does not apply repetition, the following are not part of “beaches”:
    - Dunes - let's assume these are all sand dunes;
    - Estuaries / estuaries - we can assume that this includes all rivers;
    - Coastal lakes and coastal wetlands;
    - Land submerged by the waters of the sea, or of any estuary, coastal lake, or coastal wetland / any part of the area covered by water - this will include all areas where people normally swim;
    - Boat launching sites
    - Proclaimed harbours - we can assume that this is all property registered in the name of the port authority or their subsidiaries
    - Recreational use area - these are limited and must be proclaimed by regulation.
    The definition of “beach” is then given in the Marthinus van Schalkwyk Regulation as “unconsolidated sediment forming the unvegetated edge of the shoreline of the sea or estuary that extends from the low-water mark landwards to higher features of the coast such as dunes, cliffs or vegetated soil;”
    The term "sediment" is important in this definition. Sediment is something that can be moved by water and sea sand is a common example. Sediment is described as from the smallest part of sand to as large as rocks as large as 25cm in diameter.
    With the COVID-19 Disaster Condition Regulation 69 (12) describing “Gatherings at beaches are allowed subject to the following exceptions and conditions (b) beaches in the Garden Route District will be closed to the public from 16 December 2020 until 3 January 2021” it must be assumed that beaches are open except for the beaches in the Garden Route for the stipulated period.
    It is therefore important to note that the general principle is that the beaches are open, but that the regulated exceptions pertains to the greater Mossel Bay.
    WHAT IS ACCESSIBLE
    Considering the definitions referred to above, what may beachgoers then enjoy and what is prohibited? It is probably easier to notice what is open / accessible, than to point out what is inaccessible.
    According to the definitions, should it be assumed that the legislature has taken note of the definitions in other legislation, and that the following are therefore open and accessible to beachgoers:
    - All areas covered with water, regardless of whether it is sea or fresh water. This is where people normally swim. NB: It is therefore not forbidden to swim, however, the position from where people may access the water to swim is limited - access is only possible via any of the following;
    o Rivers, estuaries, lakes, etc.;
    o All rocky areas, this is where the surface is not sediment. Places that are accessible are areas such as the tidal pool at the Point.
    o All places created to launch boats, or boat slips;
    o All port areas - I include all property of the port authority. In Mossel Bay's case, this included the section from Sea Gypsy to the Sailboat Club;
    o Although not defined as such, I would also like to include that these are all areas where improvements or alterations have been made. This will include the concrete walkways, sidewalks and roads, as well as the tidal pool at the Point;
    o All dunes are accessible - I consider dunes to be the sand dunes above the high water mark and something that has a slope. However, dunes do not give direct access to the sea anywhere in the greater Mossel Bay. This includes all areas along the beaches that are covered with lawn.
    Consequently, no person without a valid fishing license may be on any of the sandy beaches between the water and the dunes or the high water mark. NB: Note, however, that being there is not a punishable offense.
    I may add that fortunately neither I as the Municipal Manager nor any of the municipal officials of the Mossel Bay Municipality are mandated to apply the regulations pertaining to the COVID-19 disaster condition.
    Mossel Bay Municipality thanks the Kouga Municipality in the Eastern Cape for highlighting the definition of beaches as found in the National Environmental Management Act (107/1998): Regulations: Control of vehicles in the coastal area.


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    Not to steal the thread but can anyone suggest some viewing routes around Port Shepstone
    Maybe to see if the 4x4 is still working, or a route that only the locals knows.
    Still need to drive back to gangsters paradise so not a vehicle breaker
    8) There is always a way.

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    Default Re: beaches a no no in garden route...what else to do?

    We are leaving for witsand on Friday. Or should I say supposed to.
    Seems Infanta will also be closed at this stage. Next beach Arniston 2 hrs away...
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