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    Default Re: beaches a no no in garden route...what else to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by neoT View Post
    Unfortunately going to the beach is way cheaper than most of the things you mentioned, 4 persons can go to the beach/muddle around the rocks/take long walks everday for 5 days and it will cost you less than those 4 people taking one bungy at Bloukrans.
    I honestly cannot understand how someone would go to a place like the garden route and spend all the time on the beach?

    I would be bored shitless after the first walk and puddle..

    Not saying that you are wrong, just giving my view on this
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    Default Re: beaches a no no in garden route...what else to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by neoT View Post
    Unfortunately going to the beach is way cheaper than most of the things you mentioned, 4 persons can go to the beach/muddle around the rocks/take long walks everday for 5 days and it will cost you less than those 4 people taking one bungy at Bloukrans.
    May I quote the OP's request? No one said these lists are alternatives for going to the beach.

    I was thinking since we don't visit the beach all that often anyway when travelling to the Garden route what other great places are there to explore and visit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NvD42 View Post

    Thus - Witsand is still a closed beach but Infanta is not :-) I think the MALGAS Pont will be BUSY
    Its a short swim across the Breede River.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neoT View Post
    Unfortunately going to the beach is way cheaper than most of the things you mentioned, 4 persons can go to the beach/muddle around the rocks/take long walks everday for 5 days and it will cost you less than those 4 people taking one bungy at Bloukrans.
    It cost you nothing to take a drive to Millwood, the old gold rush mining town in Knysna and take a walk to see the historic mine, equipment and buildings.

    It costs you nothing, or next to nothing, to take a walk in the Knysna forrest.

    It costs you absolutely nothing to hike the Skinny Dip trail in Tsitsikamma, you do not even have to wear clothes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeinrichC View Post
    It cost you nothing to take a drive to Millwood, the old gold rush mining town in Knysna and take a walk to see the historic mine, equipment and buildings.
    It was closed when we were there about a month ago.

    I loved walking around the area and wanted to show it to my son.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MediumRoast View Post
    This was the condition of the road in September for probably 90% of the route. The 2 rockier sections are the 2.5km climb from De Vlugt and the 1km climb from Dieprivier (the next little river crossing after De Vlugt)
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    Did the pass today - no hassle. Road is in good condition. Noticed a old Toyota Tazz doing the pass as well.

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    Default Re: beaches a no no in garden route...what else to do?

    Apparently rivers, dams, lakes and estuaries are not included in the blanket ban. Plenty of those around between Jeffreys and Witsand. Surfing is still allowed as is fishing. Also plenty hiking to be enjoyed in fynbos, mountains and forests. Another option is to enjoy drives and picnics along the long stretches of road passing through the mountains and Klein Karoo inland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by omkeerpunt View Post
    Apparently rivers, dams, lakes and estuaries are not included in the blanket ban. Plenty of those around between Jeffreys and Witsand. Surfing is still allowed as is fishing. Also plenty hiking to be enjoyed in fynbos, mountains and forests. Another option is to enjoy drives and picnics along the long stretches of road passing through the mountains and Klein Karoo inland.
    Thanks, Folks. Our visit down here has suddenly become much more exciting (even including the fact that being on the beach was never a top priority).

    But nobody else around here plays golf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashtego9 View Post
    The Robberg peninsula, in Plett, makes a lovely day out. It's a Sanparks protected area, with three different trails: short , medium and long.

    Beautiful views over seal colonies.

    Take plenty water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MUGmug View Post
    great question and idea....I think I might just do the same...so you pass through uniondale...get onto the R339....touch base at Angie's G Spot and then youre on the Prince Alfreds pass...over the mountains and through the forest...looks like one hell of a road...im in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceHun View Post
    Fully booked for next 2 weeks

    Just phoned Cape Nature.

    Robberg hiking trials are open and no bookings necessary. They are allowed 500 people at any one time capacity which they arent close to reaching as yet. Permits can be bought at the gates. Keurbooms rivier is also open and activities are allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapapanga View Post
    LOL yes exactly that, sidewall thing scares me now though.

    When you going to be going over the pass then?
    I did it in March with a Q7 running 295/35/21 tyres, so nothing to worry about. As others mentioned there is really only 2 rocky sections and there I took it easy, biggest problems were the locals screaming around blind corners in areas where there is only space for 1 car. Twice we had to squeeze past other cars with a few nervous passengers in the car (SWAMBO does not like mountain passes).
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    The regulations are unconstitutional and hence invalid. Use the court order and call their bluff. https://www.libertyfighters.co.za/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehog View Post
    Great thread MUG!!!
    Read the press releasse of the Mossel bay Municipal manager on entry into the sea without crossing the beach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1949 View Post
    Climb the George Peak.
    Did it twice in my very much younger days!
    No special equipment needed, just steep and tiring, but worth the view.

    Where does the trail tot the peak starts?
    How much time does it take assuming good weather conditions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danie Joubert View Post
    Read the press releasse of the Mossel bay Municipal manager on entry into the sea without crossing the beach.
    Rather just post the press release...

    Does make for interesting reading though

    LET WEL
    UIT DIE KANTOOR VAN DIE MUNISIPALE BESTUURDER


    Strandgangers moet daarop let dat ‘n definiese wat strande omskryf in die Nasionale Wet op Omgewingsbestuur (107/1998): Regulasies: Beheer van voertuie in die kusgebied omskryf is. Hierdie regulasie staan algemeen bekend as die Marthinus van Schalkwyk Regulasie. Die genoemde regulasie handel oor die beperking van voertuie op strande terwyl die COVID-19 Rampbestuur-regulasie betrekking het op die beperking van mense op strande. Dus behoort daar sinergie te wees.


    Die Marthinus van Schalkwyk-Regulasie plaas ‘n vebod op voertuie in ‘n “Coastal Zone” en definieer dan “Coastal Zone” as: “the area adjacent to the sea characterised by coastal land-forms, and includes beaches, dunes, estuaries, coastal lakes, coastal wetlands, land submerged by the waters of the sea, or of any estuary, coastal lake, or coastal wetland, boat launching sites, proclaimed harbours and recreational use area”


    NIE DEEL VAN STRANDE


    Sou aanvaar word dat die wetgewer nie repetisie toepas nie, is die volgende nie deel van “beaches” oftewel strande nie:
    - Dunes / duine –dit is alle sandduine;
    - Estuaries / riviermondings –dit sal alle riviere insluit;
    - Coastal lakes en coastal wetlands / kusvleilande;
    - Land submerged by the waters of the sea, or of any estuary, coastal lake, or coastal wetland / enige deel van die area wat met water bedek word – dit sal insluit alle areas waar mense normaalweg sou swem;
    - Boat launching sites / boothellings
    - Proclaimed harbours / geproklameerde hawens –hierby ingesluit alle eiendom wat in die hawe-owerheid of hul filiale se naam geregistreer is
    - Recreational use area / ontspanningsgebruikareas – hierdie is beperk en moet per regulasieas sodanig geproklameer word.
    Die definisie van “beach” oftewel strand word dan in die Marthinus van Schalkwyk-Regulasie gegee as “unconsolidated sediment forming the unvegetated edge of the shoreline of the sea or estuary that extends from the low-water mark landwards to higher features of the coast such as dunes, cliffs or vegetated soil;”


    Die begrip “sediment” is belangrik in hierdie definisie. Sediment is iets wat deur water beweeg kan word en seesand is ‘n algemene voorbeeld. Sediment word geag as van die kleinste deel te wees, tot so groot as klippe van so groot as 25cm in deursnee.


    Met die COVID-19 Ramptoestand Regulasie 69(12) wat bepaal “Gatherings at beaches are allowed subject to the following exceptions and conditions (b) beaches in the Garden Route District will be closed to the public from 16 December 2020 until 3 January 2021” moet aanvaar word dat strande oop is, buiten die strande in die Tuinroete vir die tydsduur soos in die regulasies bepaal word.


    WAT IS TOEGANKLIK


    Inaggenome die definisies waarna verwys is, wat mag strandgangers dan geniet en wat is uitgesluit? Dit is waarskynlik makliker om te wys op wat oop/toeganklik is, as om uit te let op wat ontoeganklik is.


    Volgens die definies, en sou aanvaar word dat die wetgewer kennis geneem het van die definisies in ander wetgewing, is die volgende oop en toeganklik vir strandgangers:
    - Alle areas wat met water bedek is, ongeag of dit see- of varswater is. Dit is die areas waar mense normaalweg swem. LW: Dit is dus nie verbode om te swem nie, die toegange tot die see om te kan swem is, word egter beperk – toegang mag slegs via enige van ondergenoemde wees;
    o Riviere, riviermondings, mere, ens;
    o Alle rotsagtige gebiede, dit is waar die opervlak nie sediment is nie. Plekke wat dan toeganklik is, is onder meer die Poort by die Punt.
    o Alle plekke wat geskep is om bote te kan lanseer, oftewel boothellings;
    o Alle hawegebiede – hierby ingesluit is alle eiendom van die hawe-owerheid. In Mosselbaai se geval is dan ingesluit die gedeelte vanaf Sea Gypsy tot by die Seiljagklub;
    o Hoewel nie as sodanig gedefinieer nie, sluit dit ook in alle areas is waar daar verbeterings of verbouings aangebring is. Dit sluit in die betonloopvlakke, sypaadjies en paaie, gevolglik ook die getypoel by die Punt;
    o Alle duine is toeganklik – die sandhoophellings bokant die hoogwatermerk. Duine in die groter Mosselbaai gee egter nie direk toegang tot die see nie. Hierby ingesluit is alle areas langs die strande wat met gras beplant is.


    Geen persoon word gevolglik sonder ‘n geldige visvanglisensie op enige sandstrand tussen die seewater en die duin en/of die hoogwatermerk toegelaat nie. NB: Let egter daarop dat dit nie ‘n strafbare oortreding is om daar te wees nie.


    Ek kan byvoeg dat nóg ek as die Munisipale Bestuurder, nóg enige van die munisipale personeel van Mosselbaai-munisipaliteit die mandaat het om die regulasies betreffende die COVID-19 ramptoestand toe te pas.


    Die Mosselbaai-munisipaliteit bedank die Kouga-munisipaliteit in die Oos-Kaap wat die definisie van strande soos in die Nasionale Wet op Omgewingsbestuur (107/1998): Regulasies: Beheer van voertuie in die kusgebied, toegelig het.


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    PLEASE NOTE:
    FROM THE DESK OF THE MUNICIPAL MANAGER
    Beachgoers should note that a definition defining beaches is found in the National Environmental Management Act (107/1998): Regulations: Control of vehicles in the coastal area. This regulation is commonly known as the Marthinus van Schalkwyk Regulation. The said regulation deals with the restriction of vehicles on beaches while the COVID-19 Disaster Management Regulation relates to the restriction of people on beaches. Therefore there should be synergy.
    The Marthinus van Schalkwyk Regulation places a ban on vehicles in a “Coastal Zone” and then defines “Coastal Zone” as: “the area adjacent to the sea characterized by coastal land-forms, and includes beaches, dunes, estuaries, coastal lakes, coastal wetlands, land submerged by the waters of the sea, or of any estuary, coastal lake, or coastal wetland, boat launching sites, proclaimed harbours and recreational use area”
    NOT PART OF BEACHES
    Should it be assumed that the legislature does not apply repetition, the following are not part of “beaches”:
    - Dunes - let's assume these are all sand dunes;
    - Estuaries / estuaries - we can assume that this includes all rivers;
    - Coastal lakes and coastal wetlands;
    - Land submerged by the waters of the sea, or of any estuary, coastal lake, or coastal wetland / any part of the area covered by water - this will include all areas where people normally swim;
    - Boat launching sites
    - Proclaimed harbours - we can assume that this is all property registered in the name of the port authority or their subsidiaries
    - Recreational use area - these are limited and must be proclaimed by regulation.
    The definition of “beach” is then given in the Marthinus van Schalkwyk Regulation as “unconsolidated sediment forming the unvegetated edge of the shoreline of the sea or estuary that extends from the low-water mark landwards to higher features of the coast such as dunes, cliffs or vegetated soil;”
    The term "sediment" is important in this definition. Sediment is something that can be moved by water and sea sand is a common example. Sediment is described as from the smallest part of sand to as large as rocks as large as 25cm in diameter.
    With the COVID-19 Disaster Condition Regulation 69 (12) describing “Gatherings at beaches are allowed subject to the following exceptions and conditions (b) beaches in the Garden Route District will be closed to the public from 16 December 2020 until 3 January 2021” it must be assumed that beaches are open except for the beaches in the Garden Route for the stipulated period.
    It is therefore important to note that the general principle is that the beaches are open, but that the regulated exceptions pertains to the greater Mossel Bay.
    WHAT IS ACCESSIBLE
    Considering the definitions referred to above, what may beachgoers then enjoy and what is prohibited? It is probably easier to notice what is open / accessible, than to point out what is inaccessible.
    According to the definitions, should it be assumed that the legislature has taken note of the definitions in other legislation, and that the following are therefore open and accessible to beachgoers:
    - All areas covered with water, regardless of whether it is sea or fresh water. This is where people normally swim. NB: It is therefore not forbidden to swim, however, the position from where people may access the water to swim is limited - access is only possible via any of the following;
    o Rivers, estuaries, lakes, etc.;
    o All rocky areas, this is where the surface is not sediment. Places that are accessible are areas such as the tidal pool at the Point.
    o All places created to launch boats, or boat slips;
    o All port areas - I include all property of the port authority. In Mossel Bay's case, this included the section from Sea Gypsy to the Sailboat Club;
    o Although not defined as such, I would also like to include that these are all areas where improvements or alterations have been made. This will include the concrete walkways, sidewalks and roads, as well as the tidal pool at the Point;
    o All dunes are accessible - I consider dunes to be the sand dunes above the high water mark and something that has a slope. However, dunes do not give direct access to the sea anywhere in the greater Mossel Bay. This includes all areas along the beaches that are covered with lawn.
    Consequently, no person without a valid fishing license may be on any of the sandy beaches between the water and the dunes or the high water mark. NB: Note, however, that being there is not a punishable offense.
    I may add that fortunately neither I as the Municipal Manager nor any of the municipal officials of the Mossel Bay Municipality are mandated to apply the regulations pertaining to the COVID-19 disaster condition.
    Mossel Bay Municipality thanks the Kouga Municipality in the Eastern Cape for highlighting the definition of beaches as found in the National Environmental Management Act (107/1998): Regulations: Control of vehicles in the coastal area.


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    Not to steal the thread but can anyone suggest some viewing routes around Port Shepstone
    Maybe to see if the 4x4 is still working, or a route that only the locals knows.
    Still need to drive back to gangsters paradise so not a vehicle breaker
    8) There is always a way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki PAJERO View Post
    Not to steal the thread but can anyone suggest some viewing routes around Port Shepstone
    Maybe to see if the 4x4 is still working, or a route that only the locals knows.
    Still need to drive back to gangsters paradise so not a vehicle breaker
    You are now on the South cape page, you could get better references if you would post on the Eastern Cape page
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    Quote Originally Posted by jab2 View Post
    1. Visit Birds of Eden, Monkeyland, Jukani Wildlife Sanctuary
    2. Visit Knysna Elephant Park
    3. Take the ferry ride to Featherbeds Nature Reserve
    4. Drive over Swartberg Pass, visit Prince Albert for lunch and back via Meiringspoort
    5. Take a day visit to The Hel.
    6. Drive through Seweweekspoort and down to the Gamkapoort Dam
    7. Bungy jump at Bloukrans River bridge
    8. Canyoning the Crags kloof
    9. Visit Gondwana Private Game Reserve
    10. Hike the Robberg trail
    11. Take a whizzline canopy tour at Stormsriver with Outeniqua Canopy Tours
    12. Do the Circles in the Forest Hiking Trail (from Dalene Matthee's Kringe in ‘n Bos)
    13. Take a ride on the Knysna Paddle Cruiser
    14. Enjoy Mitchell’s beer and maybe take a brewery tour
    15. Visit the Redberry Farm and pick your own strawberries
    16. Take the Outeniqua Power Van to the top of the Outeniqua Mountains
    17. Visit Radical Raptors and see our native raptors up close
    18. Visit the Mohair Mill Shop near the Elephant Sanctuary and spoil the wife.
    19. Pay the cave under the Point Lighthouse in Mossel Bay a visit
    20. Do the world's longest slide over the ocean at the Mossel Bay Point.
    21. Visit the Pinnacle Point Cave (By appointment)
    22. Drive the Fragrance Route from Mossel Bay out to Friedersheim and stop at the Shweshwe Shop, Lavender Nursery, Kattekwaad Olive Farm and see the historic Friemersheim church
    23. Visit Inverroche Distillery and learn how to make gin
    24. Visit Snakes of Africa at THe Crags and still your inner fear
    25. Visit The Big Tree near Strormsriver
    26. Visit the Map of Africa viewpoint above Wildernis
    27. Visit THe Old Gaol Museum in Knysna
    28. Taste and buy some wine at Jakkalsvlei Private Cellar near Herbertsdale
    29. Drive Gysmanshoek Pass
    30. Drive Montagu Pass
    31. Do a kayak trip on the Stormsriver
    32. Work up a sweat with your mountain bike at the Garden Route Trail Park between George and Knysna
    33. Visit Bramon Wine Estate in The Crags


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