Can't believe they sell this to people who are not trained.

**Ama-newbie** · 2020/12/11, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by supersunbird

Can't this be pretty useful for smoke filled environments? Since smoke and not fire is the real killer? Say if you stay or work in a high multistory building and want to get out with smoke being less of a risk?

I believe I've seen pictures or videos of firefighters using something very similar...

**Uys** · 2020/12/11, 07:00 AM

I am no sure how this will help me without a weight belt - I am too fat to sink.

**Toxxyc** · 2020/12/11, 07:01 AM

Yeah look I don't think this is intended to be used for deep divers. I think it's for people snorkeling and that's about it. I've also seen surfers who do those massive waves keep something similar (but smaller) on hand just for a few minutes of air when a big wave rolls and keeps them under.

Anyone know where one can find this in SA? I would LOVE one. My biggest annoyance with snorkeling is having to go up for air when I'm under, and I never go deeper than around 2~3m anyway. I can't seem to handle the pressure...

**Kortgat** · 2020/12/11, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by Uys

I am no sure how this will help me without a weight belt - I am too fat to sink.

I’m sure you out of all people can weld something that will help you sink

**Swys14** · 2020/12/11, 07:09 AM

i reckon the perlemoen smokkelaars will find the post quite handy

**Pietsweis** · 2020/12/11, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Toxxyc

Anyone know where one can find this in SA? I would LOVE one. My biggest annoyance with snorkeling is having to go up for air when I'm under, and I never go deeper than around 2~3m anyway. I can't seem to handle the pressure...

2 - 3 Meters is dangerous and people have died in a pool from lung overexpansion injuries, so be careful.

While I agree that it could be a useful tool. For deep dives as a bit of redundancy I can see the appeal to an extend, but I try avoid pushing the limits...
In the wrong hands it can well be fatal.

Then again. You do not need any type of qualification, training or experience if you want to buy a real dive cylinder, BCD Regulator, or any other related equipment, so I don't see what the problem is.

As with anything else, Warning label on the packaging seems to go really far in keeping people alive.

**Bassfisher** · 2020/12/11, 07:52 AM

I would buy something like this... just to replace the hosepipe in my mouth while fixing the bottom of my pool...I think my Neighbors must think I am mad. One day I had to fix a part in the pool in the deep end. I have no weight belts, and I am one of those people who do not sink easily. So I tied 4 bricks to my waist with a nylon rope, hosepipe in mouth. So yes, I am one who will buy one of these.

**jelo** · 2020/12/11, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by Bassfisher

I would buy something like this... just to replace the hosepipe in my mouth while fixing the bottom of my pool...I think my Neighbors must think I am mad. One day I had to fix a part in the pool in the deep end. I have no weight belts, and I am one of those people who do not sink easily. So I tied 4 bricks to my waist with a nylon rope, hosepipe in mouth. So yes, I am one who will buy one of these.

we need a video, NAY we DEMAND a video..........

**Pietsweis** · 2020/12/11, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by jelo

we need a video, NAY we DEMAND a video..........

Video on You tube. When it reaches 10000 views I will buy him one, delivered...

**Woestyn Willem** · 2020/12/11, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by Pietsweis

Video on You tube. When it reaches 10000 views I will buy him one, delivered...

Be careful what you wish for - I know a fella that had to wear pubes as a beard a few years ago because of something similar.

**OomD** · 2020/12/11, 08:18 AM

This is a good price, and if it will make snorkelling easier then I'm all for it. Let's see how long it takes to get here...

**Toxxyc** · 2020/12/11, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by Bassfisher

I would buy something like this... just to replace the hosepipe in my mouth while fixing the bottom of my pool...I think my Neighbors must think I am mad. One day I had to fix a part in the pool in the deep end. I have no weight belts, and I am one of those people who do not sink easily. So I tied 4 bricks to my waist with a nylon rope, hosepipe in mouth. So yes, I am one who will buy one of these.

Have you calculated the hosepipe's volume? Because each time you breathe in, you will take back all the air you breathed out into the pipe first. It's not very healthy.

But yeah, I'm usually on the cautious side. I like going "deep" when snorkeling, as deep as I can before the pressure gets too much and then I just come up for another breath. I have an el-cheapo snorkeling kit but it works like an absolute charm, so I wouldn't mind expanding on this a bit with a small breathing bottle like that. Even if just for a few minutes.

**EHoffmann** · 2020/12/11, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by Kortgat

Well scuba is not really regulated. Anyone can go dive, but at your own risk. Your policies and medical aid might not attend to you but nothing stops anyone from scuba diving without any qualification whatsoever. It’s a really stupid idea nonetheless.

Yip many who buy this will get hurt.

Yes and no

A dive shop will not put you on the boat without you presenting your dive card.

You dive alone - you die alone.

**Oppies3800** · 2020/12/11, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Swys14

i reckon the perlemoen smokkelaars will find the post quite handy

They have more advanced bottles

**Spliffcat** · 2020/12/11, 08:53 AM

Looks like one of the original bail out tanks.
Be interesting to see if it can take 220 bar pressure.
Can see some lop injuries coming up.

**Toxxyc** · 2020/12/11, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Spliffcat

Looks like one of the original bail out tanks.
Be interesting to see if it can take 220 bar pressure.
Can see some lop injuries coming up.

These things have been around for ages. I'm sure you'll be able to Google the injuries sustained with them.

**Rustie** · 2020/12/11, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by Kortgat

I’m sure you out of all people can weld something that will help you sink

Uys-compatible rock sliders for diving.
Not only an anti-flotation device, but also protection against under water reefs and rocks and tooths.

**Rustie** · 2020/12/11, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Oppies3800

They have more advanced bottles

99% of them use nothing but a wetsuit fins and a mask/snorkel.

**cainslie** · 2020/12/11, 09:26 AM

Almost an exact copy of the SpareAir which retails for about R5k.

At 3cu ft volume, that thing will give you ~50 breaths on the surface. Assuming you're at rest, generally breating 5 breaths per minute, that's 10 minutes. Realistically, you're exerting yourself somewhat and you're not going to get more than about 6 minutes. ON THE SURFACE!

Double the ambient pressure (down at 10 meters) and you've just halved your available air. Consider that you're now swimming and exerting yourself. You'll be lucky to get 2 to 3 minutes out of it.

These things are designed as a self rescue aid for the idiot who runs out of air while on SCUBA. On the surface, what's the point? You might as well use a snorkel. At 10 meters, what's the point? I can hold my breath almost as long as that thing would last anyway.

Seriously. Do not buy this crap. If you don't know why you shouldn't buy it, then you definitely shouldn't buy it.

Originally Posted by EHoffmann

You dive alone - you die alone.

Well... I'm still alive after diving alone at least twice a month for a few years.

Then again, I'm not a holiday diver.

**ZuluCowboy** · 2020/12/11, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Rustie

99% of them use nothing but a wetsuit fins and a mask/snorkel.

They have the best tech money can buy, and they have a training academy for new divers. If you saw their set up, you would be shocked. And, to add insult to injury, it is all legal. While they are training, they are doing nothing illegal. This is how sick it is, we all know they are going to poach once "qualified", but there is no law against scuba training.

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