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    Quote Originally Posted by jaconell View Post
    Well recorded in his book "Supervan & I".

    Was at Spa during a wet race. Schumi just left him for dead - which must have been hard for Supervan to admit......

    I wonder what will happen if Schumi was put in a Rally race, with modified production cars?

    Sarel v/d Merwe made his career with rally racing, on various conditions of roads (dirt, gravel, mud, you name it).

    Schumi, on the other hand, is a closed course racer. To expect one racer (with a lifetime of experience in one type of racing) to compete against another that specialise in another type of racing is not really ideal comparision. Supervan, at least, could see and admit talent.

    Very few F1 drivers made a success in Rally racing, such as Kubica and Raikonen.
    Some Rally drivers also have the potential to be F1 champions, such as McRae and Makinen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4ePajero View Post
    Stick to the Sochi F1 race.
    Bottas did a better job than Perez.
    Bit rude, but ja - anyway, I am basing my comment on Sochi. Bottas doesn’t have a contract in a Merc for next year, Perez resigned a little while back. So they won’t “fire” him after re-signing.

    To your second point. Bottas finished better yes, but in a better car too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jouko View Post
    Not really a F1 story. A country sent a very thin silver thread/wire to Switzerland and boasted how good they are. Some time later Swiss sent it back and with a note "We made a hole through it."

    I hope the next year Alfa is as good as that achievement.

    I drive Smart. It was originally Swatch and now Merc.

    Merc wants to win the manufacturer's championship. I doubt that they take a risk to change the driver. Toto was clear. The car given to Hamilton and Bottas was not as it should have been. People blame very quickly drivers but people should dig a bit deeper and find the real reason. I think Bottas overtook more cars by driving than Hamilton. Merc strategy was working better at the end. They were just one lap late. Plan ahead, be prepared.
    Sorry, way OT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel 4x4 View Post

    To your second point. Bottas finished better yes, but in a better car too.
    With the same car, Max went from last to 2nd, while Perez went from #8 to #9.
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    Come on Valteri had one job. To keep max behind him. He did not even try.

    Perez did not have a specific instruction like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4ePajero View Post
    With the same car, Max went from last to 2nd, while Perez went from #8 to #9.
    Correct, but you are still not including the fact that Perez is already signed for 2022. They won’t pay out a contract which is still half a season away from starting a new season.

    Bottas on the other hand is basically gone. If Perez has not signed, the speculation might have been the same.

    But the biggest ‘mistake’ from Bottas in Sochi was lap 6, turn 13. That was probably a massive discussion in the de-brief.
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    Some of us have actually had access to those electron microscopes

    Maybe some people analyzing drivers, races and cars should go a bit more details using better magnifying glass

    Quote Originally Posted by jfh View Post
    Sorry, way OT.
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    If you know the rules, Valterri had no means to defend at that point on the track in the position he was in. None!

    Merc's plan there backfired. Bottas did good to finish where he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel 4x4 View Post
    Correct, but you are still not including the fact that Perez is already signed for 2022. They won’t pay out a contract which is still half a season away from starting a new season.

    Bottas on the other hand is basically gone. If Perez has not signed, the speculation might have been the same.

    But the biggest ‘mistake’ from Bottas in Sochi was lap 6, turn 13. That was probably a massive discussion in the de-brief.
    Your logic defies my intelligence.
    Let's just say you win.
    #8 to #9 is better than last to #5.
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    Bottas' job is to get more points than Perez. As long as he does that Merc will win the championship.

    Brazilian football has a team full of stars but not a team. Liverpool has stars but draw their last match against a team of no stars... F1 is a team sport and as long as Red Bull doesn't have a team and a car that 2 drivers can drive they will not win the constructors.

    I would say McLaren has a better team than Red Bull. Their hot shot has to learn and team has to teach him. I am sure they do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4ePajero View Post
    Your logic defies my intelligence.
    Let's just say you win.
    #8 to #9 is better than last to #5.
    Its not about winning.

    I agree with you that the end result indicate that Bottas ended better compared to Perez.

    The main reasoning why the speculation is in the air is because of what happened on turn 13. Bottas did not defend the position, he conceded it in such a manner that it looked like he is not interested in keeping Verstappen back so that the points difference is a lot more than the current 2 points.
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    Quite a few should read what Toto and Bottas said about the first new engine. It is now toast. They will try to save it. Merc had to change the engine and not to block Max. Only remaining engine before the 2nd new is very old. After that watch the grid walk by SkyTV. After that read what Toto said about the car given to Hamilton and Bottas. What happened during the race becomes a bit more clear by doing those items.

    I do not defend Bottas. He has his mistakes. When analyzing something the base have to be a bit wider than just watching the race. When I design something I gather a lot more info than one narrow view by somebody. Same approach gives better understanding on racing and many other things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GroenHoender View Post
    I wonder what will happen if Schumi was put in a Rally race, with modified production cars?

    Sarel v/d Merwe made his career with rally racing, on various conditions of roads (dirt, gravel, mud, you name it).

    Schumi, on the other hand, is a closed course racer. To expect one racer (with a lifetime of experience in one type of racing) to compete against another that specialise in another type of racing is not really ideal comparision. Supervan, at least, could see and admit talent.

    Very few F1 drivers made a success in Rally racing, such as Kubica and Raikonen.
    Some Rally drivers also have the potential to be F1 champions, such as McRae and Makinen.
    My post where I mentioned Supervan was obviously made with a glint in the eye. But make no mistake, Supervan was every bit as good on a track as he was going hell for leather on loose gravel at night on a tight forest track. I would think he was a menace even pushing a Checkers trolley between the aisles (what could have been if he was not way over 6 feet tall......?).

    As for some other posts above - I refer my post #6780 (saying that Bottas will not be able to keep a charging Max at bay - as it turned out, Bottas being at best a mobile chicane to Max ). I do not really care for the what's, if's and why's - BOTH Bottas and Perez are about equally limp-wristed in my books. Forever #2 men. To compare these 2 is like comparing two bottles of cheap red wine - does not really matter, but both leaves a bit of an "off" taste in the mouth.

    Bottas will not get his marching orders during the season - last time I checked Herr Marko was still with RBR.

    I do not feel too much emphaty towards Lando because 1. His time will come and 2. I did not like the way he spoke with his pit crew and arrogance displayed. Anyhow, why only a warning and not a penalty for his botched pitlane entry? That is a 5 second penalty allday long.

    Besides enjoying Max's charge, I really enjoyed watching Sainz. I hope he can find that last 2 or 3 % that will really make him topnotch F1 driver.

    And just to maintain a balanced view on things - how mind bogling is it that somebody can win a 100 F1 races? Forget all the BS about x number of races per season, best car blah blah. It really is a stonking, towering achievement. I imagine I would have been unplayable by now if I was a Lewis fan. Good thing........
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    Supervan was a super racer. I do however suspect if his life off-track was as scrutinized as today's racers are, that we may have found him "wanting".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel 4x4 View Post
    Nobody beats Supervan!
    Willie Hepburn at the coast in his V8 always did. And at 78 years old he’s still bloody racing!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoelfleRoux View Post
    Supervan was a super racer. I do however suspect if his life off-track was as scrutinized as today's racers are, that we may have found him "wanting".
    Very true.............but also massively smile inducing. A real maverick. Our own "Johannes Jagter" perhaps😆😆.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel 4x4 View Post
    What does it say? It's locked for subscribers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Groenman View Post
    What does it say? It's locked for subscribers.
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    The Formula 1 silly season hit South Africa earlier in September when the sport's CEO Stefano Domenicali announced Germany would not be on the record 23-race calendar in 2022. At the same time, he also mentioned that they're in talks with some African countries. Immediately, everyone thought South Africa must be one of the new destinations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4ePajero View Post
    With the same car, Max went from last to 2nd, while Perez went from #8 to #9.
    2020 Sakhir GP. Nuff' said.

    Perez is a very very underrated driver in my eyes.

    But I am not sure why he is even in discussion. Its about VB in a Mercedes and how he allowed Max to pass.

    You brought Perez into the discussion.

    You lambast the RB fans when they demean LH or Mercedes.

    Practice what you preach.
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