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    Default Re: 12V Impact wrenches for wheelnuts

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    Default Re: 12V Impact wrenches for wheelnuts

    Quote Originally Posted by cainslie View Post
    I'm not that old... yet
    Come carry 65kg beer kegs with me.
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    Default Re: 12V Impact wrenches for wheelnuts

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    Come carry 65kg beer kegs with me.
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    Default Re: 12V Impact wrenches for wheelnuts

    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Come carry 65kg beer kegs with me.
    They'll start at 65kg. I can't promise they'll still be 65kg at the end of that "carry".

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    Default Re: 12V Impact wrenches for wheelnuts

    Quote Originally Posted by hunter26 View Post
    Do you old balies realize that by using impact wrenches, you are making yourselves weak. What will happen if you get a flat, machine battery is flat or gives up the ghost, worse it stolen. Now you sit on the side of the road, unable to have the strength to turn a nut
    That's my reasoning all along. I will retain my manual tools to force me to do some manual labour. I recently started regretting not doing any exercises since National Service. Now my back is fubar and its hard work to do exercises.
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    Default Re: 12V Impact wrenches for wheelnuts

    I would think that the whole point of all this is that for some people using the impact wrench is the only option. Or at least, the most viable option.

    You donít throw your manual tools away. You still have them so that if the battery is flat ......blah blah fish paste...
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    Default Re: 12V Impact wrenches for wheelnuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Sneaky Pete View Post
    If you keep a piece of pipe handy that fits nicely over the power bar then even the wife could loosen the nuts.
    Or break studs!
    I did it once, about a 1" stud of a large 60-passenger bus wheelnut, with a pipe. Easy.

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    Default Re: 12V Impact wrenches for wheelnuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    I would think that the whole point of all this is that for some people using the impact wrench is the only option. Or at least, the most viable option.

    You donít throw your manual tools away. You still have them so that if the battery is flat ......blah blah fish paste...
    If you have problems undoing wheel nuts with a power bar/ torque wrench, how are you going to handle the weight of the actual wheel and tyre combination?

    By all means, new tools are cool and nice to have and make life easier so buy them but if you cannot handle the effort involved in undoing/ fastening a wheel nut with normal tools, also think of what follows and the effort required.
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    Default Re: 12V Impact wrenches for wheelnuts

    I once had a flat, in the middle of summer in the free state, on my way to a wedding, suitably attired in my sunday best.

    I would have appreciated a rattle gun to do the bulk of the grunt work. Sure I would still have needed to deal with the flat and the spare wheel, but I would sweated significantly less.
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    Default Re: 12V Impact wrenches for wheelnuts

    I am an AA member (not not that AA, the other one). If I gets a flat on the side of the road, they will gladly send a couple dudes in a little bakkie painted in bright yellow and change the wheel for me.
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    Default Re: 12V Impact wrenches for wheelnuts

    And here is the fatal question... Why is everyone wanting impact wrenches, 2m pipes on power bars to loosen vehicle wheel nuts... Mmmh. Take a Saturday or Sunday out of your lazy weekend, remove your wheel nuts, smear copper slip onto the threads and retighten/torque wheel nuts back on. Then you won't be needing power tools to remove wheel nuts. Simple. If you brave enough, get the wife to do it whilst you eat your KFC and guide her
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    Default Re: 12V Impact wrenches for wheelnuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Koebelwagen View Post
    If you have problems undoing wheel nuts with a power bar/ torque wrench, how are you going to handle the weight of the actual wheel and tyre combination?

    By all means, new tools are cool and nice to have and make life easier so buy them but if you cannot handle the effort involved in undoing/ fastening a wheel nut with normal tools, also think of what follows and the effort required.
    Indeed, no problem to loosen the 180Nm wheel nuts on the Amarok, just use the 500mm power bar I added to the tool kit. But to lift the wheel (en om die gat te kry) for replacement becomes a challenge at my age.



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    Default Re: 12V Impact wrenches for wheelnuts

    Quote Originally Posted by hunter26 View Post
    And here is the fatal question... Why is everyone wanting impact wrenches, 2m pipes on power bars to loosen vehicle wheel nuts... Mmmh. Take a Saturday or Sunday out of your lazy weekend, remove your wheel nuts, smear copper slip onto the threads and retighten/torque wheel nuts back on. Then you won't be needing power tools to remove wheel nuts. Simple. If you brave enough, get the wife to do it whilst you eat your KFC and guide her
    In my opinion, this is the number one reason for failed studs.

    If you put grease on it is easy to over torque and stretch it.

    Wheel nuts should go on dry and get torqued to spec. Period.

    I am yet to see an owner's manual asking for copper slip on wheel studs.

    A wheel torqued to spec is easily undone.

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    Default Re: 12V Impact wrenches for wheelnuts

    Quote Originally Posted by hatjohan View Post
    Indeed, no problem to loosen the 180Nm wheel nuts on the Amarok, just use the 500mm power bar I added to the tool kit. But to lift the wheel (en om die gat te kry) for replacement becomes a challenge at my age.
    Exactly! removing the wheel nut is the least of the problems.

    I remember when I was much younger we came across an oldish couple on the side of the road in botswana, it was so long ago now I cant remember if it was a patrol or a cruiser, but anyway, we stopped to help and the oom was nearly on deaths door - he had managed to remove the flat wheel, and get the spare off the door, but that's as far as he got, he was completely exhausted!
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    Default Re: 12V Impact wrenches for wheelnuts

    Quote Originally Posted by WAJ View Post
    I am an AA member (not not that AA, the other one). If I gets a flat on the side of the road, they will gladly send a couple dudes in a little bakkie painted in bright yellow and change the wheel for me.
    That little bakkie wouldnít come around when youíre overlanding for sure, much less on a trail.

    I donít understand the big whahoo about the use of the wrenches, work smarter not harder. Nothing to do with muscularity or anything as such, do it quickly and spend more time enjoying your brew
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    Default Re: 12V Impact wrenches for wheelnuts

    i find that my power bar turns from an controlled linear force applicator into a impact wrench rather quickly, even more so on a hot day, if the nut is stuck, foul language and sporadic kicking, jumping and percussion tools in the form of hammers, stones, boulders etc. will apply shock force to the said power bar which in turn will loosen the obstinate nut in due time, similar to an R 8 000 impact wrench. I find ambient temperature and distance to destination being deciding factors in the violence and speed of said operation.

    ok not really as bad, but basically a tap on the bar helps. i once had to change a tire at 01:00 at night in the Cederberg (after visiting the observatory) with a normal ratchet. Long story, but now i have a power bar permanently in the back. I had to work that ratchet very carefully, and i think gentle tapping worked well.
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    Default Re: 12V Impact wrenches for wheelnuts

    Quote Originally Posted by MariusFourie View Post
    In my opinion, this is the number one reason for failed studs.

    If you put grease on it is easy to over torque and stretch it.

    Wheel nuts should go on dry and get torqued to spec. Period.

    I am yet to see an owner's manual asking for copper slip on wheel studs.

    A wheel torqued to spec is easily undone.
    Never, when you hear the click of the nut when tightening a nut, you have reached the correct torque. With or without grease imho, you will talk it to the same specs. Only a poephole will keep torquing past one click.

    To understand what a click is, it's when you tighten a nut and it makes a click noise. For the older generation, when you hear your arm bones click twice, you have reached your torque settings
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    Default Re: 12V Impact wrenches for wheelnuts

    Quote Originally Posted by hunter26 View Post
    Never, when you hear the click of the nut when tightening a nut, you have reached the correct torque. With or without grease imho, you will talk it to the same specs. Only a poephole will keep torquing past one click.

    To understand what a click is, it's when you tighten a nut and it makes a click noise. For the older generation, when you hear your arm bones click twice, you have reached your torque settings
    Theres a difference between wet and dry torque

    Very few people have a torque wrench

    Its easy to overtighten a nut by hand if the threads are greased.

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    Default Re: 12V Impact wrenches for wheelnuts

    Quote Originally Posted by hunter26 View Post
    Never, when you hear the click of the nut when tightening a nut, you have reached the correct torque. With or without grease imho, you will talk it to the same specs.
    No, friction on the surfaces create resistance to turning the bolt. A rusted nut will need more torque to turn than a nut with oiled threads.

    Thus, to only true way to ensure the clamping force is equal is to use an angle guage.

    A lubricated nut will produce a higher tension on the bolt when torqued to the same spec as a dry bolt.

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    Default Re: 12V Impact wrenches for wheelnuts

    ok not really as bad, but basically a tap on the bar helps.

    Manually doing what the battery version does with battery power.

    giving me an option of acquiring another tool for my collection.
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